User talk:Tepples/Archive 4

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This page is an archive of old discussions from 2012. Do not modify this page. If you have anything to add to the discussion, start a new section on User talk:Tepples.

We are clean

Every few archives, I may do the archival by moving, which pushes the history to one of the archives. In this case, history has moved to User talk:Tepples/Archive 3. --Tepples 19:00, 5 January 2012 (MST)

Your SOPA blackout page

Will the page remain accessible after the blackout is over? If so, will it remain at the same URL, or do you have plans to archive it elsewhere?

Oh, and if you're wondering about the self-revert on my user page: Basically, I was mad that in my conscious efforts to stay away from Wikipedia and Cheezburger Network, I forgot how many other sites would be participating in the blackout. As a result, a few browser history entries now contain titles inconsistent with the normal condition of those sites. I reverted myself because I decided there was no point listing specific sites. (Also, why "stay away"? It's because my Aspie mind thinks it's dishonorable to look at the blackout pages, in the same way that visiting redirect pages on a wiki is somehow dishonorable.) Eighty5cacao 13:37, 18 January 2012 (MST)

The redirect will automatically cease at 1900 Zulu, or about six and a half hours after I click "Save page", but /protectip/ will remain accessible at least until S. 968 is defeated. --Tepples 15:31, 18 January 2012 (MST)
So is there a possibility of "archiving" the page within the wiki, using custom CSS similar to nesdev:NesdevTest (which BTW no longer works correctly due to the MediaWiki upgrade)? Eighty5cacao 11:55, 19 January 2012 (MST)
Okay, here's a text dump. Eighty5cacao 16:27, 20 January 2012 (MST)
And about "staying away": Consider a member of your household who notices some trifling detail of something you are doing, becomes curious about the motivations behind having done it exactly that way, grills you on the detail for minutes at a time, rationalizes away the interrogation as "making small talk", and finally announces some conclusion to which she has jumped. The avoidance behavior comes from your misconception that anyone will notice such details in your browser's history and waste your time with silly questions. --Tepples 19:22, 22 January 2012 (MST)
I don't have a "misconception that anyone will notice such details in [my] browser's history," just because it's unlikely to happen. I know my parents would never have a reason to poke around in there. As for roommates, that is a matter of physical security.
It is purely a personal issue. I was just trying to avoid "clutter," which is the same reason I hate YouTube's feature= URL parameter. This isn't something I can justify in a logically consistent manner.
One parent, who isn't technical enough to understand SOPA's implications, did send me a link to some news story about Wikipedia's blackout. That was about 24 hours prior to its start, and by then I already knew what was going to happen. Eighty5cacao 21:55, 22 January 2012 (MST)

I noticed that you (Tepples) have linked to this discussion from the NESdev forums. I would like to say that I did not intend for the discussion to be used in such a manner, though I have no objections. Also, if anyone needs clarification about the word "clutter" above, it means "cluttering the history with entries that are inaccurate or redundant." Eighty5cacao 16:58, 2 February 2012 (MST)

MoS and RFC 2119

While reading the Action 53 article, I realized something: I think it's high time that we wrote Pin Eight:Manual of Style/RFC 2119 (or similar) so that readers don't think you are shouting when you write MUST and SHOULD in all caps. Any suggestions what would belong on such a page, and what pages should link to it? Eighty5cacao 12:43, 30 January 2012 (MST)


Digression: Regarding User talk:Eighty5cacao/Eloi physiology#Notes on puberty trigger, I recognize that <ref> tags are inherently different from {{tl}} in that the content of a ref gets displayed verbatim, while templates go through transclusion/substitution mechanisms. Nevertheless, I thought that putting <code> tags around the whole think looked a bit cleaner. Now back on topic.

To benefit users who see your Nibbles game in a famiclone product, might you consider documenting publicly why it is no longer available from and advising users to download from NESWorld if desired? By "publicly" I mean that the homepage is best, but the wiki main page is acceptable too. Eighty5cacao 11:59, 27 February 2012 (MST)

Because it doesn't meet my quality standards. For one thing, when I made it, I didn't know how to do the binary to decimal conversion needed for a score counter. (I think I learned how to do efficient binary to decimal conversion in 2006.) Nor did I feel like upgrading it, seeing as Nibbles ended up superseded by Super NeSnake 2. Is it actually showing up in multicarts included with famiclones? --Tepples 12:10, 27 February 2012 (MST)
Sorry, I meant "TV plug-and-play" devices like the Senario 101-in-1. Perhaps I should have said NOAC instead. I have made no attempt to verify the existence of Nibbles in any other devices. Did you mean to restrict the term "famiclone" to devices that accept NES/Famicom carts?
I was aware that Nibbles has been superseded by the NeSnake series, but my explicit acknowledgment of that fact got lost in composition.
What about my request for documentation? Do you have specific objections? Eighty5cacao 12:26, 27 February 2012 (MST)
I was referring to both detachable multicarts and built-in collections. So let me rephrase: What brought this to your attention? Is there a famiclone with a built-in collection of games that has included Nibbles in the collection? Or is it just a conjecture that one might be? I guess I've been operating on the principle of don't stuff beans up your nose: if I give a list of every single ROM credited to me in GoodNES that I no longer make available because it no longer represents my best work, especially things I've never run on an NES, people are more likely to e-mail me asking for them. --Tepples 13:28, 27 February 2012 (MST)

This was not just a conjecture. I first learned about it through at least one YouTube video of (an) offending device(s) on which you (Tepples) commented IIRC. I think it was the Senario 101-in-1, but I'd need to check again. I was reminded of this by a previous discussion about Lawn Mower. Eighty5cacao 16:12, 27 February 2012 (MST) (last edit 18:30, 11 April 2012 (MST))

It turns out I'm wrong about the Senario 101-in-1, assuming this video shows the only 101-in-1 product made by Senario. I don't own a different Senario 101-in-1 or any other famiclone for that matter. The only other thing I know is that the video I originally saw was probably uploaded by British1500. Again, give me a little more time to check. Eighty5cacao 16:19, 27 February 2012 (MST)

I meant to say that I recall the menu of the offending device being plain text with no graphics (though seeing as I was wrong about the Senario 101-in-1, I'm not sure if the menu even looks like that). If the video was uploaded by British1500, it may now be deleted or private. I never made a note of the URL in the first place. Eighty5cacao 18:20, 11 April 2012 (MST)
Nibbles exists on a pirate GBA cartridge that uses PocketNES. I still need to find an example that is actually a NES or Famicom cart. Eighty5cacao 17:08, 19 June 2012 (MST)

Link rot in tvtropes:SuperDeformed

In response to uncyc:User talk:Pentium5dot1/UN:REQ explanations/Precious Moments#Tropers, more specifically reposting this diff:

The external link in your edit of tvtropes:SuperDeformed on 26 April 2011 is now returning HTTP 401.

I do not yet have an actionable comment on your original post. Eighty5cacao 23:22, 20 March 2012 (MST)

I found where PMI had moved the original post using Google "precious girls club" proportions. The EL should be fixed now. --Tepples 05:41, 21 March 2012 (MST)
Ok, thank you. Sorry for not doing my "homework," as I've been busy with some real homework. Then again, I'm not a known troper, so I wouldn't have been able to fix it myself anyway. Eighty5cacao 10:59, 21 March 2012 (MST)

Encyclopedia Dramatica interwiki

Why haven't you configured an interwiki prefix for Encyclopedia Dramatica? It would simplify maintenance; does it have anything to do with the offensive nature of the site's content? Eighty5cacao 15:52, 30 March 2012 (MST)

I haven't created one yet because ed is too short, and encyclopediadramatica is too long. It appears that interwiki prefixes have to be at least three letters long so as not to be confused with interlanguage links. --Tepples 16:23, 30 March 2012 (MST)

SukeyChloya244's username

Split to User talk:SukeyChloya244 per the edit summary of User:SukeyChloya244 --Tepples 09:49, 14 April 2012 (MST)

Regarding recent courtesy blank

If my edit summaries were not clear enough: Please do not delete User:Eighty5cacao/sandbox3 itself, only the redirects to that page.

BTW, would this legal issue be at all relevant to Luminesweeper? Eighty5cacao 19:43, 21 June 2012 (MST)

Luminesweeper stays up until Bandai or Disney raises a stink. Have they? --Tepples 04:10, 22 June 2012 (MST)
I'll get back to you if I find out anything. BTW: Did you want [[uncyc:File:Tod420.png]] to be deleted as well? (I also posted on your Uncyclopedia user talk page.) Eighty5cacao 16:13, 22 June 2012 (MST) (last edit 12:21, 23 June 2012 (MST))

Terrible programmer

I noticed that your current nesdev forum avatar says "terrible programmer." Why? Eighty5cacao 11:22, 17 July 2012 (MST)

I'm taking a 2 week break from public forums on the BBS after 3gengames' reply to my post about memory protection. (why?) I'm still on IRC and the wiki though, so I guess this is the opposite of a wikibreak. --Tepples 11:43, 17 July 2012 (MST)
Full explanation on NESdev BBS --Tepples 06:21, 1 September 2012 (MST)


Do we need to create Pin Eight:Manual of Style/Valid HTML, Pin Eight:Manual of Style/HTML validity, or similar? Eighty5cacao 22:58, 1 September 2012 (MST)

"Paragraphs and list items are blocks, and you MUST NOT start an element such as <del> in one block and end it in another block." That's pretty much the main well-formedness rule I followed when fixing mark-up on old talk pages, apart from an obscure edge case involving unordered lists in <ref> elements. What triggered this in the first place was the tool I use to back up the wiki. It calls the MediaWiki API to determine which pages have changed, and then it calls the render endpoint to get the translated mark-up of the article itself. I determined which pages to fix by looking at those for which xml.dom.minidom raised malformedness exceptions. I'll consider a MoS page if I get more material, or if we get a lot more registered editors and it starts to become a problem for me to fix manually. --Tepples 07:14, 2 September 2012 (MST)
Yeah, I suppose my original suggestion was instruction creep, except that the <code> vs <pre> issue really ought to be documented. Since I was at fault for the incident you are describing, I'd like to ask one more question. Is there a reason that <s> is deprecated, or does it produce the same HTML output as <del>? Eighty5cacao 09:10, 2 September 2012 (MST)
In HTML5, <strike> has been marked obsolete: documents containing it won't validate, but user agents are still expected to process it in a specific way. <del> is for something deleted. I was under the impression that <s> was obsolete the same way, as it had been deprecated along with <strike> in HTML 4.01/XHTML 1.0. But I'm still confused as to the official difference between <s> and <del> as of HTML5. --Tepples 10:20, 2 September 2012 (MST)
So MediaWiki passes these two tags "straight" through to the output (modulo HTML Tidy which may/may not be present on our installation), instead of transforming one to the other? (Sorry I was too lazy to view the source of an affected page to confirm.) Is HTML Tidy a standard MediaWiki feature, or does it have to be installed as an extension? Isn't there a configuration setting "$wgHTML5" or "$wgEnableHTML5" that might affect this behavior? Eighty5cacao 09:57, 3 September 2012 (MST)
The variable is $wgUseTidy, but I don't think it'll work on Go Daddy's shared hosting plans. I tried SSHing into my hosting account, and I got tidy: command not found. --Tepples 12:27, 3 September 2012 (MST)

Yeah, I found out about $wgUseTidy a couple hours later ... sorry for being lazy. The configuration setting for HTML5 was meant to be a separate issue from HTML Tidy; give me some time to look into this. BTW, a new question: What is the semantic difference between <code> and <samp>? How is it relevant to the issue of HTML validity, if at all? Eighty5cacao 13:07, 4 September 2012 (MST)

<code> is for showing examples of mark-up or programming languages, and <samp> is for showing the output of a computer program, especially error messages. --Tepples 17:01, 4 September 2012 (MST)
Okay, thank you, and sorry for being lazy again. This may require some general cleanup across the wiki; I'll handle my own userspace on my own time. Eighty5cacao 18:51, 4 September 2012 (MST)
Here's what I should have looked up in the first place: $wgHtml5 exists, but it only controls the doctype. $wgWellFormedXml does exactly what it says for valid inputs, but it doesn't fix problems as HTML Tidy does. Eighty5cacao 20:25, 5 September 2012 (MST)

Podge Hasglow

What is the significance of this username? If the account you were merging was a spammer, why did you not use SukeyChloya244? Eighty5cacao 11:14, 9 September 2012 (MST)

Podge is a character from Zap Ruder, and the account was created during testing while I was switching from the ABUSE filter as the first line of defense to QuestyCaptcha. I just felt like being different. I have plans for both those accounts. --Tepples 13:34, 9 September 2012 (MST)
Ok, thanks. Sorry for not testing Zap Ruder before asking (then again, I don't own any authentic NES hardware).
Also, is the number 573 significant here? That is, did you specifically wait until the right moment to create the Podge Hasglow account to make it number 573, and if so, why? (Yes, I know there are good reasons you aren't actively playing foot-operated rhythm games anymore...) Eighty5cacao 20:33, 9 September 2012 (MST)
Nope. The user ID matching the model number of the DDR 1-8 arcade system board and the "Max 300" full combo was no more on purpose than wikipedia:User:Damian Yerrick being user 1 was on purpose. --Tepples 06:16, 10 September 2012 (MST)
Now I remember why I didn't merge to Sukey: The name "Podge" is related to "Patrick". --Tepples 18:27, 15 September 2012 (MST)

Considerations of intellectual property law

First, some preliminaries: Sorry for asking so many questions in the section above. I should have thought harder about MediaWiki user IDs not being exactly sequential. With that said, this is the "more on this later" part that I alluded to there.

By "intellectual property" I mean that all the branches of copyright, patent, and trademark may be relevant. Now the actual question:

In your opinion, what are the legal risks associated with operating a legally-purchased, non-secondhand copy of In the Groove on a legally-purchased, unmodified PlayStation 2 console of the correct region code in your own private property?

Obviously, I'm not asking for legal advice on an actual case; I just want some general pointers to keep in mind. Eighty5cacao 09:17, 10 September 2012 (MST)

As for In the Groove, the only thing I see changing is that it's a Konami product since the settlement, so the risks are probably no different from those of playing Dance Dance Revolution Supernova. It's just that I refuse to recognize as a "sport" any activity that one private entity has the government-granted power to prohibit, and fanwork bans quickly demote a recreation from "sport" to "waste of time". --Tepples 10:11, 10 September 2012 (MST)

google: prefix

As on Wikipedia, there appears to exist here an interwiki prefix for Google Search: google:example. Should this be changed to use HTTPS? Eighty5cacao 13:49, 22 September 2012 (MST)

CPS pixel clock

Regarding this thread, it is currently believed by the MAME project that CPS1 and CPS2 use an 8MHz pixel clock, either directly from an 8MHz crystal or divided from a 16MHz crystal. See CPS1 driver (currently line 3074) and CPS2 driver (currently line 1241). MCFG_SCREEN_RAW_PARAMS is a macro defined in lines 370-1 of screen.h (nutshell: first parameter is the pixel clock). --Eighty5cacao 21:54, 1 December 2012 (MST)

HTTPS on this site

Do you intend to support HTTPS on Pin Eight after moving to WebFaction? If so, will this include the domain? --Eighty5cacao 13:49, 2 December 2012 (MST)

I had a little difficulty figuring out from WebFaction's website what the setup fee and time are for HTTPS support, if any. I assume you are trying to figure this out too...? --Eighty5cacao 08:58, 3 December 2012 (MST)
HTTPS is enabled now, albeit with's certificate. I filed a support ticket to have the certificate switched to one I got from StartSSL, so it'll work with SNI-enabled browsers. --Tepples (talk) 18:39, 5 December 2012 (CST)
A couple questions:
  1. Will the certificate match all of, and
  2. If you intend to enforce https on any part of Pin Eight in the future, is it possible to exempt the Wayback Machine's robot (user agent ia_archiver) from said enforcement? If not, how do you plan to archive the site yourself? --Eighty5cacao (talk) 22:04, 5 December 2012 (CST) (last edit 23:02, 5 December 2012 (CST))
I see that the correct certificate is installed now, and it doesn't match Will this change in the future?
BTW: Creative Commons license logos support HTTPS; you should probably change URLs such as to be protocol-relative. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 10:38, 6 December 2012 (CST)
I fixed the site logo, the Creative Commons logo, and the sidebar. Now I get no mixed-content warning on Chromium Browser for Linux, but Chrome for Android is still giving me a crossed-out https, telling me that there's mixed content but not telling me what "other resources which are not secure" it's seeing. The certificate matches and Adding more subjectAltNames to a StartSSL cert requires upgrading to a paid tier; I don't plan on adding HTTPS on any time soon, as it's mostly used for forum avatars/sigs and the like, and I don't post to any forums that offer HTTPS and prefer externally hosted avatars. The services still on Go Daddy are mail forwarding and DNS. --Tepples (talk) 19:30, 6 December 2012 (CST)
Yeah, sorry for not thinking harder and/or doing my homework about the StartSSL limitations. At any rate, it was true that pics had not been completely moved over at the time my edit summary mentioned it. As for Chrome for Android: Is it some sort of caching issue? Sorry I can't be of more help. Check on the Google ad script (; you should be able to change this to be protocol-relative IIRC.
The last issue I noticed is that the bible: interwiki prefix needs to be made protocol-relative. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 21:42, 6 December 2012 (CST) (last edit 22:38, 6 December 2012 (CST))

Thanks for all your hard work, but it looks like there's a typo on the (www.) homepage. The "our SSL site" link seems to specify http:. (So does the link from the Pin Eight logo in the upper left corner.) --Eighty5cacao (talk) 22:33, 6 December 2012 (CST)

Those have been fixed. Thank you for pointing them out. But as of December 2012, Google AdSense does not support HTTPS. --Tepples (talk) 07:54, 8 December 2012 (CST)
There appears to be coverage for in line 188-9 of this HTTPS Everywhere ruleset. Is there something wrong with that? Presumably the script tries to load insecure resources regardless of the protocol used to retrieve the script itself. Do you intend to switch to a different advertising provider?
Also, the homepage links to the Thwaite and Concentration Room pages have absolute URIs that need to be made relative. I also recall seeing similar issues under the Luminesweeper page (BTW: has died and is now parked). --Eighty5cacao (talk) 12:38, 8 December 2012 (CST)
I've fixed the homepage links and some links on /lu/. I'll consider seeing how deep the AdSense rabbit hole goes later. --Tepples (talk) 10:57, 10 December 2012 (CST)

Archiving policy

(This could have been a subsection of "Validity" or "HTTPS on this site," but I wasn't sure...)

Do this and this imply that you are making another effort to archive the wiki? How often do you plan to make such archives? --Eighty5cacao (talk) 10:51, 21 December 2012 (CST)

It began with the effort to archive NESdev Wiki before it left Parodius. The archive serves two purposes: as a redundant backup in case SQL backups fail, and as a tool for making an offline version. I decided to try it on my own wiki for extra test coverage. I store both the wiki markup and the XHTML from the MediaWiki render API. I update the archives of this wiki and NESdev Wiki when I feel like it, which might be weekly to monthly. Edit links and diff links appear in the XHTML, but editing and history don't work offline. The process to remove these links uncovers XML well-formedness issues. --Tepples (talk) 11:49, 21 December 2012 (CST)