User talk:Eighty5cacao/misc/Songs that sound alike (investigation needed)

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If You Were Here vs. Max 300[edit]

Glad to see someone else noticed this. Years ago, this was my signature on Bemanistyle. And now you know why I often use "If You Were Here" heavy on x2 as a warm-up. But other ITG suggestions include "Disconnected" vs. "Paranoia" (all of 'em), or "Energizer" vs. "Max 300" + the fan remix "NeoMAX". Or the Maxes vs. "Hot Limit" by John Desire (as demonstrated by the "Maxx Resurrexxion" segment at 3:05 in this medley). Not to mention that I can link "Drop Out" to a bunch of other songs through shared samples whose origin I haven't found yet: "AM-3P", "Dead End", "American Bad Ass" by Kid Rock, "It's All Good" by MC Hammer, and "Third Reich from the Sun" by Hanzel Und Gretyl. And if we make a section for self-plagiarism (like the infamous "How You Remind Me of Someday" by Nickelback vs. Nickelback), we'd have to include Dam Dam Baby Baram by Joga vs. Joga. --Tepples 07:25, 31 August 2010 (MST)

To answer your points in order:
  • I've personally never felt any Disconnected to be close enough to any PARANOiA to be plausible cryptomnesia (although I acknowledge that they serve similar functions in the ITG and DDR series respectively).
  • Energizer and MAX 300, similar situation - similar functions, but not close enough to ring my cryptomnesia bell. I'd prefer to leave DM Ashura's earlier works out of this, since some are obviously copyright-infringing remixes. It's better to focus on the songs that DM Ashura has released commercially.
  • Ditto for Maxes vs. Hot Limit.
  • Drop Out etc.: I'd prefer not to list songs based solely on samples not expressible in musical notation. Such samples are often of human voices, such as "Di-di-di-di-di-discon..." in the Disconnected series and "...five seven five, by magazine" in Drop Out. (If you meant that these songs have further similarities, please clarify.)
  • Self-plagiarism and Joga: I have a different mashup (with simfile) of Dam Dariram vs. Bye Bye Baby Balloon sitting on one of my older laptops - give me some time to drag that out. That one maintains better separation between the two songs' lyrics and hence is longer than your version. (Unfortunately, it came from the now-dead Flash Flash Revolution website, so I won't be able to use it as a citation.) I have no actionable comment at this time.
Eighty5cacao 09:58, 31 August 2010 (MST) (last edit 18:32, 15 September 2010 (MST))
For the record, "Monolith" and the "Healing Vision" series would probably be a better example of what you were originally getting at. Eighty5cacao 21:16, 3 October 2011 (MST)

The Joga mashup I was referring to is called "Bye Bye Dam Dariram (Baby Balloon Beat)" (, registration required to download). Eighty5cacao 15:20, 11 November 2011 (MST)

Sorry for being lazy[edit]

Regarding this: I knew the article had probably been deleted, so I looked first at wikipedia:List of Bemani musicians, but apparently someone attempted to clean up certain red links in an attempt to enforce verifiability. I didn't look hard enough at resources outside Wikimedia projects; I checked but only to verify that the song debuted in IIDX 5th style. Eighty5cacao 20:12, 11 December 2010 (MST)

Maintenance note:[edit]

The Wikipedia link I originally added was Zombocom; the article existed at the time I originally added the entry, but it doesn't now. The deletion review in question is listed under 26 July 2011, and it applies to the title (note the period) which was deleted in 2007 and salted in 2010. Eighty5cacao 15:32, 31 July 2011 (MST)

The decision of the deletion review was to allow recreation. Eighty5cacao 17:06, 21 August 2011 (MST)


Who is the "Mr. Bennington" in this edit summary? (Sorry, I don't mean to violate the privacy of any real person.) Eighty5cacao 17:12, 21 August 2011 (MST)

I named my Animal Crossing character Chester after some very obscure Looney Tunes reference that tied in with a Final Fantasy IV reference. Only later did I realize Chester Bennington was the lead singer of Linkin Park. --Tepples 06:15, 22 August 2011 (MST)
Whoops, sorry for not actually reading that Wikipedia article. Thanks. Eighty5cacao 08:38, 22 August 2011 (MST)

Maintenance note: neogenesis[edit]

tl;dr: I have doubt whether "Jimmy Hart version" is an appropriate term for self-plagiarism.

On a YouTube video of the song, you commented, "The motif in the first 30 s sounds like a Jimmy Hart Version of the second half of DM Ashura's older piece 'neoMAX'." However, tvtropes:TheJimmyHartVersion says, "Note that if you're just reworking your own theme, that doesn't count." tvtropes:ThemeTuneCameo, on the other hand, seems to apply only when the song being copied is officially the theme of the containing work. I'm still thinking over all this, so don't feel pressured to reply. Eighty5cacao 20:07, 12 November 2011 (MST)

It's since been renamed to tvtropes:SuspiciouslySimilarSong, but there's also tvtropes:SelfPlagiarism.
On the other hand, when DM Ashura wanted to explore the similarity between the slow middle of "Energizer" from In the Groove 2 and the more-or-less original second half of "neoMAX" from DDREI Tournamix 4, he rewrote the part of "neoMAX" in question in the same time signature as "Energizer" for his mash-up "Maxergizer". The MP3 in that thread is a broken link, but I think I still have it downloaded. --Tepples 08:18, 19 April 2012 (MST)
Am I correct in assuming you brought this up because of the Piano Man similarity I mentioned? As for not updating the TV Tropes link(s), that's mainly a matter of sloppiness, even though I do normally consider redirects dishonorable. Eighty5cacao 17:38, 19 April 2012 (MST)
Yeah, sometimes one of your edits in Recent Changes (or something in the same paragraph or one nearby) triggers a train of thought that leads to one of my edits. It's not much different from when I click Random to get an idea for an article to improve. And Wikimedia Meta-Wiki has its own essay about tolerating sloppiness in the near term. --Tepples 17:52, 19 April 2012 (MST)

The Final Teen Spirit Mashup[edit]

Dumping this here because I'm too lazy to format it atm.

TODO: What kind of group is "Wax Audio"? Why isn't the duration of the video calculated successfully? --Eighty5cacao (talk) 17:17, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Apostrophes in video games[edit]

Regarding this issue about Castlevania: Rondo of Blood:

In (Japanese) video gaming, apostrophes in (game, level, music etc.) titles are normally read as "dash." See for example Street Fighter II': Champion Edition. I am not aware of any case where "prime" is the intended reading. (Sorry I don't have a more reliable source.)

I won't revert your edit because it's fine operationally. (For what it's worth, I would have blurted out "prime" too; English-speaking gamers tend just to say "alternate Stage 2" in this case, though.)

If you cared about this because you were trying to search for videos, please be patient and let me do it myself. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 18:09, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

The usage just appeared consistent with "dash" being wasei-eigo for the prime symbol. --Tepples (talk) 20:40, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
Besides, it may not be entirely trivial to find a "clean" video of the music in question, due to Konami's use of Content ID: Almost all playthroughs of Castlevania: Rondo of Blood on YouTube have some music identified, and videos containing only music without gameplay might be at some Copyrobeast risk. (Interestingly, this doesn't happen as consistently for the remake Castlevania: The Dracula X Chronicles.) But I digress... --Eighty5cacao (talk) 21:26, 26 October 2013 (UTC) (+ 04:10, 9 November 2013 (UTC))
It appears that "dash" is indeed Konami's official term for those apostrophes, according to the Boss Rush mode of The Dracula X Chronicles. (TODO: Does the original Rondo of Blood have the same menu entry? Also, a GameFaqs FAQ for Dracula X Chronicles appears to mention the official titles of the songs. But I'm already making mountains out of molehills though...) --Eighty5cacao (talk) 04:10, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Cracked link dump[edit]

I'm aware of their latest article. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 18:50, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

That article uses "swiped" in a different sense however. The uses listed in that article are licensed, though not by the originally intended recording artist. --Tepples (talk) 21:14, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I kind of had doubts about halfway through. I just hurried here so you wouldn't beat me to the punch... --Eighty5cacao (talk) 21:48, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Beverly Hills Cop[edit]

The commenter probably did mean Cop, not 90210. Take the bass line from "Axel F" by Harold Faltermeyer (the Beverly Hills Cop theme; YouTube) and transpose it up a couple octaves to fall within the SMS's octave. Now compare that to Paperboy. --Tepples (talk) 19:18, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. I did not realize my mistake because I never really watched either show, and I was so sure that "Cop" was a character name that I never bothered to type "Beverly Hills Cop" into Wikipedia nor a general search engine. Upon listening to the ...90210 theme, I did find some marginally plausible similarities. (Emphasis on "marginally.") I had listened to the Crazy Frog version of "Axel F" several times but not made the connection because that version doesn't use much of the bass line in question. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 20:39, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Raiden series[edit]

ToDo: See this Shmups Forum post about the Raiden series ripping off music from other video games. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 06:26, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

eighty5cacao's notes, January 2016[edit]

Gran Turismo 2[edit]

tl;dr: Artist and release year may need fixing anywhere "My Favourite Game" is mentioned on this wiki, due to my narrow ITG-fanboy mindset.

The original version of "My Favourite Game" by The Cardigans (1998) was in Gran Turismo 2, long before ITG existed. The album in which it appeared was itself titled Gran Turismo.

Natalie Browne is apparently more a remixer than a producer of original content; ITG also contains her remix of a different song by a different Natalie (I goofed; I was thinking of Natalie Imbruglia, but the original version of "Torn" is by Ednaswap.) --Eighty5cacao (talk) 04:56, 13 January 2016 (UTC) (+ 18:20, 13 January 2016 (UTC))

In this case of Covered Up, would "her cover of a song originally by Ednaswap that a different Natalie took to the top of the charts" work better? --Tepples (talk) 14:29, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
Acknowledged, but this content will not appear in mainspace. (More specifically: I did not find a mention of "My Favourite Game" or either Natalie in Songs that sound alike or Songs that sound alike (video games), and even if there were a mention, the pun would IMO be off topic for the "Notes" column. The mentions on this page are not yet fully wikified anyway. I already fixed the mention on the StepMania mashup list.)
This is just a scratch pad; you may have noticed the "Note to self:" in the earliest revision of this section. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 18:22, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Sega composer Hiroshi Kawaguchi[edit] sometimes mistakenly known as "Hiroshi Miyauchi," who is an unrelated actor. Found via allthetropes:JAKQ Dengekitai/YMMV via allthetropes:Special:Random

No action is needed—I already fixed all known instances on this wiki a while back. You may recall that I mentioned a misapplication of lectio difficilior potior as the cause of the issue. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 18:29, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

The "Corneria theme" (first song during gameplay) from the original Star Fox seems slightly inspired by something from After Burner (II), but I don't remember the proper title of the latter, and there may be a few more songs tangled in this web of similarity. I was reminded of this by a Russian unlicensed Mega Drive game that features an arrangement of the Corneria theme. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 06:50, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
My original investigation was incomplete: "Hiroshi Kawaguchi Miyauchi." --Eighty5cacao (talk) 14:19, 24 May 2018 (UTC)