User talk:Eighty5cacao/TODO

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Je te veux[edit]

As of today, "Je te veux" is PD in most developed countries other than Mexico. The song was published in 1902, and Satie died in 1925. All pre-1923 works are PD-US, and copyright expired in 1996 in EU member states and other life+70 countries. But I bet you were thinking about putting it on the PD VGM page, so you want the copyright status in 1983 when Binary Land was first published.

From 1909 through 1961, U.S. copyright was pub+28 renewable to pub+56, putting expiry at 1959 even if renewed. Copyright in Satie's works expired in 1976 in life+50 countries. Japan is life+50, except for pub+70 in the case of motion pictures published before 1953 and a 10-year extension for pre-WWII works by French or other Allied authors. This puts 1986 as my best guess for the expiration date in Japan. --Tepples 14:55, 1 November 2010 (MST)

I admit I was being a little lazy - I could have figured out on my own the copyright status in the US, but I forgot to consider Japan, and I panicked when I saw Société des auteurs, compositeurs et éditeurs de musique mentioned in the Wikipedia article.
I have edited the entry to express better my original intentions. Eighty5cacao 16:49, 1 November 2010 (MST)
My best guess is that the game's music director saw "Satie died in 1925", noticed that the calendar had ticked past 1976, and forgot to consider the extension of Allied copyrights. As long as nobody noticed, ubi non accusator ibi non iudex. SACEM is probably just as powerful or as powerless as PRS for Music. You might want to bring up the issue on wikipedia:Talk:Binary Land. --Tepples 17:45, 1 November 2010 (MST)

Vocal pitch[edit]

Regarding Eloi language: Other WP articles mentioning voice pitch include wikipedia:Puberty#Voice change, wikipedia:Vocal range, and wikipedia:Voice type#Children's voices. --Tepples 18:00, 10 December 2010 (MST)

Okay, thank you. (I have some questions but I won't bother with them now.) Eighty5cacao 21:46, 10 December 2010 (MST)

Fictional characters that look alike[edit]

As for Fictional characters that look alike, I was thinking of making my own archive of SAB cases that aren't on; I just need a snappy name. Does TV Tropes have anything like this already? If I were to start a page, the rules for using pictures of non-free characters might be similar to what I've started in Men's gowns (and documented in Pin Eight:Copyrights) and what SAB appears to observe: one pic per character, unless the character has distinct appearances each of which matches a different character, and usually no bigger than QVGA. (In fact, the portraits on that page are HQVGA. The Costume blazons page is intended for "laundering" of character appearances through free descriptions of an iconic costume: enough to guise as a character on 31 October but hopefully not enough to infringe copyright. --Tepples 20:28, 18 December 2010 (MST)

As stated, I have nothing better than allthetropes:Expy right now, but I'll get back to you if I see a more relevant page on TV Tropes. Eighty5cacao 21:15, 18 December 2010 (MST)
Also, you may wish to consider asking for help on tvtropes:LostAndFound (allthetropes:Forum:Trope Talk). Eighty5cacao 18:54, 23 December 2010 (MST)
Someone on LnF doubts that this phenomenon is even tropable, despite the existence of Name's the Same. I'll let it run a few more days and decide whether to float it on YKTTW in parallel to Name's The Same. --Tepples 12:18, 24 December 2010 (MST)

Clarification of section title[edit]

For the record, the word "all" in "Talk (all)" signifies that the potential scope of the section includes all positive odd-numbered namespaces, not just namespace 1 (which is the usual meaning of "Talk" by itself, as in the MediaWiki search interface). Eighty5cacao 23:51, 28 December 2010 (MST)

Obsoleted by this edit. Eighty5cacao 11:01, 29 December 2010 (MST)



From cloning on Sloperama:

Q: What if the only thing I want to borrow is the gameplay - say, the idea of jumping on things and collecting coins?
A: Fine. Don't worry about it.

The Tetris Company would disagree. --Tepples 08:37, 28 February 2011 (MST)

Ok, but could you clarify what action you would like me to take? The only reason I categorized these links under "Unknown" is that I have no particular talkpage discussion or userspace draft in which to put them. Eighty5cacao 09:29, 28 February 2011 (MST)

Catch 23[edit]

From Catch 23.a:

See Stupid Wannabe Trick #14 and the "Realistic Targeting" barrier-busting tip.

From Barrier Busting:

Find out where the game companies are. If you live in a coldbed, start packing. Move.

Where does this leave someone who doesn't have family outside of coldbeds? --Tepples 08:37, 28 February 2011 (MST)

I'm not familiar with the term "coldbed" (and Wiktionary has nothing). Does it refer mainly to (physical) climate or to the activity level of the game-development industry? Eighty5cacao 09:29, 28 February 2011 (MST)
The latter. It appears to be the opposite of a "hotbed" (for which Wiktionary might have something). --Tepples 10:41, 28 February 2011 (MST)
To clarify, I am a native English speaker, and I recognized soon after I asked the question how it was unnecessary. Eighty5cacao 12:32, 28 February 2011 (MST)
Also, I intended to add Catch 23.b as a citation or external link to whichever mini-rant mentioned that console makers commit the genetic fallacy, but I'm having some trouble locating said article at present. Eighty5cacao 12:41, 28 February 2011 (MST)
Look in Single-screen multiplayer. --Tepples 15:55, 28 February 2011 (MST)

Belated reply: Ok. Had I not gotten caught up on the word "coldbed," I probably would have said that I'm too much of an Aspie to give suggestions on the family issue. Eighty5cacao 13:40, 6 May 2011 (MST)

Kotaku Australia[edit]

Do these edits sound reasonable? Eighty5cacao 10:55, 5 April 2011 (MST)

I guess so. --Tepples 11:06, 5 April 2011 (MST)

Content ID[edit]

About the Vocaloid cover issue: At this point, I think it most likely that music publishers participating in Content ID can manually mark works that they control. --Tepples 07:46, 17 April 2011 (MST)

Yes, I'm aware of the manual aspect of Content ID. Maybe I failed to make that clear enough. (Again, anything I write that is commented out should be assumed to be "sloppy.") I just started cooking up conspiracy theories about the Content ID bot getting smarter because I found the enforcement to be somewhat inconsistent. Which brings me to my original(?) question: Is there any way for a member of the general public to find out whether a Content ID tag was added manually or automatically? Eighty5cacao 10:23, 17 April 2011 (MST) (typo corrected 00:43, 18 April 2011 (MST))
I'm not aware of any such way. --Tepples 23:03, 17 April 2011 (MST)

Exclamation point notation[edit]

I had earlier adopted attribute!character notation in Costume blazons#Conventions. I agree that this should be moved to the site-wide MOS once we put one together. --Tepples 18:50, 7 August 2011 (MST)

For the record, I also used such notation here; my idea was that there should be a glossary of some sort, though I'm not sure whether that's purely MOS material; and Pin Eight:Links should perhaps be moved to Pin Eight:Manual of Style (links) once the rest of the MoS is finished. Eighty5cacao 19:54, 7 August 2011 (MST)


I touched on UUCP bang paths in "Chester gets laid off". --Tepples 06:40, 27 August 2011 (MST)

After watching the video, I would still like some clarification on how this is relevant to my TODO entry and/or the MOS in general. It appears that the use of bang notation to describe character traits derived from the TMNT action figures, while the use to describe a character's setting derived from UUCP. Does this sound plausible? How much of this should be explained in the MOS? Eighty5cacao 11:41, 27 August 2011 (MST)
That's a plausible WMG. --Tepples 12:27, 27 August 2011 (MST)
So now I'd like some clarification on why you're calling it WMG. My understanding was that "Wild Mass Guessing" must have well-defined fictional story content. (Of course, WMG about a real person fits this definition as long as it creates a fiction of its own.) Is my original synthesis and/or unreliable sourcing the reason for such wording? Eighty5cacao 12:37, 27 August 2011 (MST) (last edit 13:19, 27 August 2011 (MST))
Yeah, I guess OR and WMG ultimately aren't that different, especially compared to how much contrast there is between TV Tropes and Wikipedia on original research. --Tepples 13:56, 27 August 2011 (MST)

There's no need to fear[edit]

"A verb 'to receive' may facilitate monovalent expression of sentences that use polyvalent verbs in English" -- Eighty5cacao (talk | contribs)

"It is also noted that human students tend to overuse the verb pattern 12u3o "undergo" as a quasi-accusative." -- frath:Iljena/Morphology

"There's no need to fear: 'undergo' is here." -- Some stand-up comedian satirizing bad iljena teachers who encourage trying to impose familiar European paradigms on a monovalent language, whose students end up speaking what amounts to Engrish. (The next routine about false friends would start with a Dutch word for lodging and mention a Sanskrit grammarian not being able to enjoy his toasted sub, but that's beside the point.)

There are plenty of cases that can be reworded as catch-all verbs: "causes" as a quasi-ergative, "undergoes" as an accusative or absolutive, "receives" as a dative, etc. But overusing one risks grammaticalizing it, and Kēleni grammarians postulate that this has already happened in iljena with its Semitic-on-steroids root-and-pattern verb morphology. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing; English "be", "have", and "do" have been grammaticalized yet keep their identity as verbs. I guess I'll have to prove whether or not such overuse is inevitable by rewording the Graded Sentences monovalently. --Tepples 16:07, 5 October 2011 (MST)

What action should I take on the TODO entry and/or the Eloi language article? Eighty5cacao 16:16, 5 October 2011 (MST)
Nothing yet; just food for thought that I felt like serving. --Tepples 20:15, 5 October 2011 (MST)
On second thought, I incorporated much of this into Valency#Verbs and cases. --Tepples 06:11, 31 October 2011 (MST)


"Independent musician": Wikipedia:Record label#Independent tries to define this as a recording artist not signed to a label controlled by EMI, Sony, Universal, or Warner. Commercially published material is indie if it's not through one of the big four labels.

Taking things from other sites: Feel free to post an entry if you haven't yet seen the pairing on one of the sites linked in ELs. Feel free to post an entry if you make your own demo. And feel free to post an entry if it's litigated; lawsuits are facts of public record. Otherwise, a mass import of examples from another site might bring in messy copyright issues that I don't want to deal with. --Tepples 12:56, 24 October 2011 (MST)

First of all, I obviously don't intend to do any kind of "mass import." Also, I was trying to express that in addition to the "commercially established" vs. "commercial indie" distinction, there is also "commercial indie" vs. "noncommercial indie" — what channels of release are considered valid commercial distribution, and what proportion of an artist's material has to be released commercially before it is reasonable to list entries for that artist?
The latter is the main thing I'm still working out. Sorry for not checking Wikipedia on the former, but then again, being the English Wikipedia it must have some systemic bias; we'd also need to consider counterparts to the Big Four in other countries. Eighty5cacao 15:07, 24 October 2011 (MST) (last edit Eighty5cacao 16:11, 24 October 2011 (MST))

Maintenance note: User talk:Tepples[edit]

Why was this edit necessary? It has nothing to do with the move from User talk:Tepples to User talk:Tepples/Archive 3 because the revision ids should be sufficient to specify which page is wanted. The problem is that revision 1193 doesn't seem to exist anymore, and I can't figure out why, since it shouldn't have been deleted in a spam cleanup if it was done correctly. Eighty5cacao 12:41, 11 January 2012 (MST)

Successive edits by one user within an hour may have been confused with serial tweaks to fix typos. --Tepples 17:19, 11 January 2012 (MST)

Great minds think alike[edit]

The first time I saw the MineShaft type of game was the one with the frog. I used to own that unit, and I was addicted to that game for a while. But these games have probably been cloned on every platform, be it Flash, JavaScript, graphing calculators, you name it. The lawnmower games in particular are probably just a logical progression from Pac-Man anyway. Currently I own a Senario 101-in-1, and its lawnmower game looks like the one shown in the video. I've found that in general, the control feel of the games on the Senario is nowhere near as polished as what the homebrew community is putting out lately. --Tepples 20:12, 18 February 2012 (MST)

Again, this was not really a proper TODO, which is why I need to create User:Eighty5cacao/misc/Random thoughts. There was a reason I put scare quotes around "great" — that refers to the pirates. I did not mean to insult Shiru or Nioreh in any way. Even then, I was giving the pirates too much credit because it's hard to judge control responsiveness from YouTube videos of devices I don't own. Just think of this as another branch of our copyright discussions.
What is Lawn Mower's maintenance status? Is Shiru still taking feature requests? Eighty5cacao 21:34, 18 February 2012 (MST)
Lawn Mower was unmaintained as soon as Shiru released it, apart from three one-line technical fixes that I requested so that it'd fit better into a multicart: 1. don't overwrite CHR RAM when clearing the nametables at reset, 2. move it from $8000-$BFFF to $C000-$FFFF (back when I was still planning on using mapper 180 flip-UNROM instead of the current engine that uses BNROM), and 3. move the "out of fuel" graphic out of $FFF0-$FFF9 so that the reset stub can fit. The PRG ROM was so full that #3 took a while to get right. --Tepples 07:10, 19 February 2012 (MST)
Yeah, I just about guessed that, to the point where I almost redacted that part of my inquiry. Sorry for being too lazy/busy to hack at the code myself. Eighty5cacao 10:51, 19 February 2012 (MST)

Why I was wordy in explaining 009 Sound System[edit]

Just to clarify, my original wording here was a lame attempt at parallelism with "an individual recording artist (not a band)" at User:Eighty5cacao/Manual of Style (songs that sound alike)#How. I now see that this twisted sense of "parallelism" is a weaker argument than conciseness, and I am no longer disputing anything. Eighty5cacao 10:03, 29 March 2012 (MST)

IW link to whom?[edit]

"we need to write a Manual of Style entry to explain when Wikipedia vs. TV Tropes links are preferred."

Prefer a TV Tropes link for a trope, even if it's on allthetropes:We Are Not Alone Index. Prefer a Wikipedia link for the title of a notable work. That's one reason why I haven't rushed to add an interwiki for support TV Tropes namespaces outside of Main. --Tepples 09:55, 14 April 2012 (MST)

Yeah, I knew that was somewhat ill-conceived. You may have noticed the lack of a specific "sloppy" warning on this point. I hastily threw in the MoS bit to make the TV Tropes policy change sound more applicable to this wiki. Eighty5cacao 10:03, 14 April 2012 (MST)
Technically, the strictest interpretation of the "Pedo gushing" and "Fanfic Recs for underage sex" items in the no lewdness policy as of right now would rule out any work with a prominent animal character that isn't a funny animal or higher on the scale. Most animals have a life cycle much shorter than that of H. sapiens, and most animal characters from civilized on down would be the result of sex before 16 years of age. If TV Tropes wants to regulate itself into irrelevance, let it. --Tepples 10:18, 14 April 2012 (MST)
"Ill-conceived" referred to the part of my edit that you quoted above. However, I agree that the "no lewdness" policy needs tweaking. Eighty5cacao 10:39, 14 April 2012 (MST)

I missed the other page that explains the policy change: Administrivia/TheSecondGoogleIncident. In summary, the change was a response to a sanction imposed legitimately by AdSense. The deletions are not necessarily indefinite and are subject to review. Eighty5cacao 16:21, 14 April 2012 (MST)

Good news: I brought up the issue of non-human biology on the forum, and the reply was "This is why we have a council. To determine exceptions to the policy like those." --Tepples 18:41, 14 April 2012 (MST)
I know it's a little late for this, but: As I see it, legal age is only applicable to creatures who qualify for legal status as an individual person, which requires some minimum level of cognition. As for physiological age, that is to be judged on species-specific norms.
Your point is about legal age, though. If a work had only one character and never referenced his/her/its family in any way, it might pass your test. But ... yeah, I'm digressing. I agree that it's good news for this issue to be within the council's scope. I will look over the forum thread shortly. Eighty5cacao 23:20, 14 April 2012 (MST)

BTW: While looking at allthetropes:We Are Not Alone Index, I found that AtT (and all of Orain?) seems to have its wikipedia: interwiki prefix configured for absolute http. I believe the proper place to inquire about that is over here...? --Eighty5cacao (talk) 19:13, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

tvpassfail without NTSC filter[edit]

You say TASVideos "SHOULD NOT be running [tvpassfail] until they routinely encode video files that contain the NTSC filter." In my opinion, emulators without an NTSC filter (or with the NTSC filter turned off) are emulating a PlayChoice with no hint screen set to free play. The RGB signal from its PPU has the same 8:7 pixel aspect ratio as the composite output of the Famicom and NTSC NES. This makes the aspect ratio test valid for emulators without an NTSC filter even if the "OMG seizure" screen after it isn't. --Tepples 12:48, 15 May 2012 (MST)

Acknowledged — with the usual "sloppy" warning in mind, is there anything about my logic bad enough that it needs to be reverted? For one thing, I probably shouldn't have used an RFC 2119 term without a realistic expectation that my prescription would be heeded.
The issue is, I recall Bisqwit's sample video for tvpassfail (linked on aforementioned page) not having the right aspect ratio, implying that it is mainly intended for the NTSC filter. Besides, TASVideos often just sets a 4:3 aspect ratio flag in its publication videos rather than accurately calculating the frame aspect ratio from 8:7 (or other console's) PAR.
Of all the emulators that failed (or at least Nestopia), I'm pretty sure the reason was absence of NTSC filter. I mention Nestopia in particular because I suspect "overlay H" is a platform-specific frontend that lacks support for the filter. Eighty5cacao 21:28, 15 May 2012 (MST)
In a video format that computes PAR from DAR, setting a DAR of 4:3 on NTSC video at the TMS9918 dot rate (ColecoVision, MSX, NES, SMS, MD in 256px mode, SNES) is just fine as long as you pad the video with borders to 280x240 first. The Genesis also has a 320px mode, which is clocked 25% faster than TMS9918 video. In this mode, 350x240 is exact, and the commonly seen 352x240 (NTSC Source Input Format) is acceptable. Are you active on the forum there? --Tepples 04:59, 16 May 2012 (MST)
No; I thought this edit should have made that clear. "I know I really should register..." meant that I am not already registered. Eighty5cacao 09:42, 16 May 2012 (MST)
Continues at User talk:Eighty5cacao/misc/Random thoughts#tvpassfail without NTSC filter -- Eighty5cacao 10:56, 6 June 2012 (MST)

Manual of Style: Em and en dashes[edit]

According to documentation for a user script wikipedia:User:Cameltrader/Advisor, if spaces are present around an em or en dash (which is discouraged anyway), they must be non-breaking spaces. (Note: not RFC 2119 compliant yet) Eighty5cacao 09:48, 19 August 2012 (MST)

More specifically, wikipedia:User:Cameltrader/Advisor#Features says that em and en dashes must be preceded by a non-breaking space; it says nothing about what must follow. --Eighty5cacao 21:25, 21 October 2012 (MST)

Meat eating and evolution of human brains (temp)[edit]

I couldn't manage to find on short notice the section where I previously discussed this, so dumping a LiveScience article here --Eighty5cacao 11:30, 11 October 2012 (MST)

Caps at home[edit]

"UIs written to display warnings about bandwidth usage under the assumption that a device has both cellular and Wi-Fi radios"

Not everybody is fortunate enough to live in an area with wired ISPs that offer triple digit GB/mo of data. Satellite and microwave ISPs are popular in more rural areas unserved by cable and DSL, and they routinely impose caps of 10 GB/mo or less. For those ISPs' customers, there's as much need for an Internet traffic volume graph on a Wi-Fi-only Nexus 7 tablet like mine as there is on a cellular device. --Tepples (talk) 22:42, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

That was sloppiness (but I guess the creation of the essay will be delayed significantly while I think about its scope). I am aware of the bandwidth graph feature (which I was NOT going to rant about) and of the general reality of caps, but I still had other things I thought worth mentioning about my experience with a non-cellular device:
  • Google Play Store repeatedly (~once per two weeks, ~3 times so far) nags me to turn on auto-updating for all apps, which I specifically do not want to do despite not being heavily capped. I do have auto-updating turned on for a few "critical" apps. (By auto-updating I mean the setting that downloads and installs the update automatically; the alternative is to notify before downloading. I touch the notification to get to the Play Store screen, followed by the resulting "Update" button, which is when the nag might happen. The exact wording of the message, IIRC, is "Update apps automatically when on Wi-Fi?" which I thought to be a bit redundant. Contra: Redundant with what?)
  • Some weather or news widget warned me about bandwidth consumption when I turned on its auto-refresh feature.
  • The "Preload search results" and "Page preloading" items under the "Bandwidth management" section of the Android Browser configuration offer choices "Never / Only on Wi-Fi / Always" on my device. The point is that the latter two choices are equivalent because my device does not have a cellular radio...
I suppose the first of these might have been more of a help request than a valid rant. I reverted my edit because I didn't have much left to rant about. TODO: check exactly what version of Android I am running (all I remember is 4.0) --Eighty5cacao (talk) 00:14, 8 June 2013 (UTC) (last edit 05:30, 8 June 2013 (UTC))
Jelly Bean 2 (Android 4.2) on my Nexus 7 shows an option to treat specific SSIDs as metered. Settings > Data usage > ⁝ > Mobile hotspots shows "Select the Wi-Fi networks which are mobile hotspots. Apps can be restricted from using these networks when in the background. Apps may also warn before using these networks for large downloads." This allows applications to make decisions based on whether the Internet connection is practically uncapped, such as cable, DSL, or restaurant Wi-Fi, or has a noticeable cap, such as satellite, home microwave, or cellular. In fact, another platform's app certification requirements require apps to default to limiting streaming video to 256 kbps and audio to 64 kbps and get the user's express consent before beginning a transfer larger than 1 MB while connected to a metered network. I don't know whether that option is present in Ice Cream Sandwich (Android 4.0) or whether it is a new feature in Jelly Bean or Jelly Bean 2. --Tepples (talk) 18:50, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

I had a couple other rants in mind unrelated to bandwidth. One was the fact that the notification for a fully-charged battery is "ongoing" and so can't be dismissed. (Is tethered use really that harmful to the battery in general? Are there any tethered "jailbreaks" for Android like there are for iOS?) The other was that the "Blocking mode" setting doesn't clearly offer a way to block individual types of notification (i.e., from specific apps). Again, I haven't used anything later than Ice Cream Sandwich, and I don't currently think these are worthy of a subpage. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 17:17, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

The closest thing to a "tethered jailbreak" on Android, as far as I can tell, is the various things that can be done while USB debugging is turned on through adb and fastboot in the Android SDK. --Tepples (talk) 19:59, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
An update on the original issue: It seems that the first such alert (or the system update that brought in such alerts) somehow disabled automatic updating for all apps. When I manually rechecked it for one of the apps, I got another alert with a different wording (don't remember it well enough). --Eighty5cacao (talk) 02:03, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
For what it's worth, one of the firmware updates for my device brought in Android 4.2, and the Play Store no longer seems to have the nag messages in question. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 18:02, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

I did eventually turn on auto-updating by default. There are nag messages for exceptions in the opposite direction (i.e. auto-updating disabled on an individual app in contravention of the system policy), but that's not really relevant here. What is, is that there's no intermediate "only on Wi-Fi" setting for that global update policy. Perhaps users are expected to use the "restrict background data" setting to work around that? Did a later version of Android change this? --Eighty5cacao (talk) 19:13, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Re: "the notification for a fully-charged battery is "ongoing" and so can't be dismissed"

As I have since heard, at least on recent devices manufactured by Samsung, the notification (or the device's documentation?) is worded to express that the primary concern is consumption of mains electricity. I don't have an example at hand of the actual wording. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 03:43, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

iOS vs. Android app stores[edit]


BOINC would illustrate the point well, but I anticipate objections of irrelevance if I were to mention it in App Store Review Guidelines: "That's not what a phone is for. I need my battery so I can make phone calls." Distributed computing projects like BOINC would break battery-related background app rules. It's the same reason the client was never ported to GBA and DS homebrew, and why I don't run World Community Grid on my Atom laptop. --Tepples (talk) 22:26, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

By default, BOINC for Android is configured to disallow computing on battery power. There is also a setting to require a certain minimum charge state, whether or not the user chooses to allow computing on battery power. The commonly-described use case for Android (cn) assumes that the user leaves the device plugged into a charger for long periods of time regardless of the actual charge state.
The OGR subproject of exists for BOINC on the Yoyo@home project server and supports Android, but I digress.
As for the article, might your concerns be adequately addressed by hiding the BOINC info in a suitably-titled {{spoiler box}}? --Eighty5cacao (talk) 23:26, 29 March 2014 (UTC) (+ 19:16, 30 March 2014 (UTC))
Even if were to run while plugged in, Apple would probably want each set of projects to have its own app whose code Apple has reviewed. For example, the a "" app would contain RC5 and OGR, a "World Community Grid" app would contain the cancer, AIDS, and schistosomiasis projects, a "Prime Search" app would contain GIMPS and Seventeen or Bust, etc. When WCG adds a new project, for example, it'd submit an update to Apple. --Tepples (talk) 18:23, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
I seem to remember you mentioning somewhere that the Google Play Store guidelines include a similar (but less strictly enforced?) prohibition on downloading code. I can't find the exact place on a quick glance though. Therefore, TODO: Verify whether or not the initial download of BOINC for Android bundles the project-specific binaries for all projects it supports. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 21:05, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
The above hypothesis is probably false, based on my reading of some project websites. The projects must have some way to obtain up-to-date binaries even though the BOINC app itself is no longer actively maintained. I don't know whether the downloads are compressed and/or encrypted in some way, and I don't know whether the BOINC developers asked for a special exception to any Play Store rules. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 03:48, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
Android allows an application to expose a service to another application. A Google Play-compliant BOINC client would presumably take the user to the Play Store app to install the service for each project, and updates to services would be pushed out through Play Store. (Incidentally, you can rearrange letters in "iBOINC" to form "Bionic", the name of the non-GNU C library used in Android.) --Tepples (talk) 15:01, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
Yes, the project-specific binaries are services, but only to prevent the OS from killing them the same way it does with regular tasks for memory management. The issue is that they are not downloaded (or downloadable) through dedicated Google Play Store entries, unlike BOINC itself. Consider that BOINC for Android, just like BOINC for desktop OSes, allows the manual entry of a project URL outside the built-in list of recommended projects. That's why I'm wondering whether BOINC falls under some special exception or grandfather clause, or whether it is using compression/encryption/patch files to bypass the letter of the law.
The code is now on GitHub; perhaps I need to dig deeper there.
Incidentally, on many BOINC project forums, I see "BIONIC" as the result of an auto-correction misapplied to "BOINC." But I digress. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 19:15, 22 November 2015 (UTC) (+ 19:50, 22 November 2015 (UTC))

A belated clarification: There are, or at least were, two BOINC clients available in Google Play Store: the official one named simply BOINC, and an older one known as "NativeBOINC" (capitalization and spacing not verified). If neither of these had existed, I wouldn't have bothered hypothesizing the existence of a grandfather clause at all.

I seem to remember some version of Orbot (or another app with a Tor client?) naming its Tor binary tor.mp3, presumably to fool an automated review. However, Orbot is also available through F-Droid, so this doesn't argue strongly for anything. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 17:30, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Ad blocking[edit]

One area where iOS currently has the advantage (considering only the "official" app stores): Google has interpreted their terms of service to broadly prohibit system-wide ad blockers, while Apple apparently has not. See for example Disconnect Mobile. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 21:10, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Disconnect Mobile no longer exists under that exact name. The iOS version has been deprecated in favor of the "full" Disconnect (which also provides an option for a paid VPN service) and the aforementioned Disconnect Kids. The Android version, which still requires sideloading, has been renamed Disconnect Malvertising; as the name suggests, it includes a malvertising protection list that was previously a premium feature. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 19:18, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
Additionally, the Android version appears to have been forked by EFF as "Privacy Badger for Android," but no releasable development work seems to have been done yet. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 21:10, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
The privacybadger-android repository is no longer a fork of Disconnect Mobile but rather a new project written by a presumable EFF member. Also, Disconnect Kids itself seems to be deprecated. TODO, mention something about the ad-blocking support in iOS 9.x. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 01:31, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
...which only blocks ads in Safari; a VPN is still needed to achieve system-wide ad blocking. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 16:50, 6 January 2017 (UTC)


Would you call the scrolltext on the Who's Cuter title screen "superpixels" in the Jing Ke Xin Zhuan sense? --Tepples (talk) 18:17, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Yes. (What action do you expect me to take?) --Eighty5cacao (talk) 20:23, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
I'm just trying to collect other examples of that technique. The title screen of Namco's Xevious for NES also used it, as did Game Genie. --Tepples (talk) 01:49, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
I'm also aware of Spot: The Video Game. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 22:16, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

Opposition to Rule 34[edit]

(Dumping this here because I don't have an exact place for it in any non-talk namespace; in particular, it isn't entirely NES-related. This is not yet the time to nitpick, unless you'd like to mention some notable case law I haven't seen yet.)

After seeing 8bitMicroGuy mention a desire for an adult-fanwork ban (excuse the accessibility violation), my immediate response is that there is an ill-defined line between mere "Rule 34 for Rule 35's sake" and serious descriptions of a fictional species's reproductive habits for the purpose of worldbuilding.

I've previously mentioned one setting in which visual depictions of the latter could be legally problematic worldwide, but I digress. That does serve as a reminder that visual media (distinguished from written descriptions) must be used carefully, though.

Anyway, I feel that a copying license is not the best place to encode a prohibition on derivative work of an adult nature, since its impact would be comparable in scope to a non-commercial clause, which is problematic for "highly Free" sites such as Wikimedia Foundation projects. There is also the issue that the license would be a sufficiently prominent document in which to mention the prohibition such that readers might be inspired to willfully challenge it. (Edit: This is probably a subset of, or otherwise highly related to, the Streisand effect, as mentioned here on NESdev. --06:01, 15 March 2017 (UTC))

Finally, there is the practical problem of distributing and enforcing modified versions of an existing license – specifically, that any modification to an existing license invalidates OSI approval.

I'm not trying to talk 8bitMicroGuy out of anything; just brain-dumping. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 00:05, 6 January 2017 (UTC) (+ 18:28, 14 January 2017 (UTC))

I'm aware of this NESdev topic. I understand that you didn't specifically mention the reproductive-behavior-in-worldbuilding angle, but I suppose that could be considered part of the definition problem you described thusly: "'porn' and 'blasphemy' would be hard to even define in such a way that licensees can understand their rights." --Eighty5cacao (talk) 22:12, 11 March 2017 (UTC)