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== A couple NESdev issues ==
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== Interwiki table maintenance ==
  
While looking at [http://wiki.nesdev.com/w/index.php?title=CPU_unofficial_opcodes&diff=10012&oldid=9836 this], I noticed that the link to the Taito L System driver should be changed to use [https://github.com/mamedev/mame/blob/master/src/mame/drivers/taito_l.cpp GitHub].
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Are you running some kind of script to validate the interwiki configuration? If so, it would be nice to post the code publicly, as long as the license is at least as Free as the rest of the wiki. --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 00:47, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
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:It's not scripted. I'm just following a random IW link and seeing if it responds. (And now that you're aware of this project, I can [[Special:RecentChangesCleanup|RCC]] what I've done so far.) --[[User:Tepples|Tepples]] ([[User talk:Tepples|talk]]) 00:52, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
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::It doesn't look like you've RCC'd anything yet. Should I do so myself? I assume that RCC of interwiki maintenance should be subject to the same 24-hour delay as RCC of spam posts; does this make sense? --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 04:03, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
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:::I did RCC some from about a day before my last reply, those before your "headscratcher hooks" edits. But go ahead and apply the same rule. --[[User:Tepples|Tepples]] ([[User talk:Tepples|talk]]) 19:07, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
  
Also, it seems some users are [[nesdev:Talk:Mapper#unicode joke terms|objecting]] to the Unicode-inspired naming of the NES 2.0 planes. --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 20:55, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
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== index.php?diff= gives internal error on user scripts and stylesheets ==
:Sorry for bumping this here, but it looks like the <code>.cpp</code> fix never made it into [[nesdev:CPU unofficial opcodes#Games using unofficial opcodes|the article's]] GitHub link. --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 19:10, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
 
  
== ATT and explain xkcd ==
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For example, [[Special:Diff/15702]] (which redirects to <code>https://pineight.com/mw/index.php?diff=15702</code>, an edit to [[User:Eighty5cacao/common.js]]) and [[Special:Diff/15139]] (which redirects to <code>https://pineight.com/mw/index.php?diff=15139</code>, an edit to [[User:Eighty5cacao/common.css]]) show:
Since I don't have any better place to dump this: [https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=566:_Matrix_Revisited&diff=108498&oldid=108491 This is an edit on ''explain xkcd'' by someone unfamiliar with the history of AtT], attempting to "fix" an Orain!AtT link by pointing it to TVT. I haven't bothered to take any action on this myself yet. --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 22:03, 2 January 2016 (UTC) (+ 00:46, 3 January 2016 (UTC))
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<blockquote>MediaWiki internal error.
  
== NESdev issues, January 2016 ==
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Exception caught inside exception handler.
=== freem's Neo Geo builds ===
 
  
I'm not clear to what extent you were being sarcastic [http://forums.nesdev.com/viewtopic.php?p=161705#p161705 here]. Just in case you weren't:
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Set $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; at the bottom of LocalSettings.php to show detailed debugging information.</blockquote>
  
MAME has a convention of using file extensions to indicate the labeled positions of ICs on the PCB where known. By <code>#</code>, freem presumably meant what is called <code>\d</code> in regular expressions (i.e., a digit). --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 04:47, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
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The longer URLs for the same edits, <code>https://pineight.com/mw/index.php?title=User:Eighty5cacao/common.js&diff=prev&oldid=15702</code> and <code>https://pineight.com/mw/index.php?title=User:Eighty5cacao/common.css&diff=15139&oldid=15111</code>, work fine.
:After I'd seen Mike Kohn's [https://www.mikekohn.net/micro/sega_genesis_java.php JVM for the Genesis], another 68000-based platform, a joke about a CLR on Neo Geo sounded almost plausible. I'll go back and edit in a clarification. --[[User:Tepples|Tepples]] ([[User talk:Tepples|talk]]) 13:37, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
 
  
=== GitHub Pages ===
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[[Special:Diff/15754]], an edit to [[App Store Review Guidelines]], works fine. --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 00:52, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
Regarding [http://forums.nesdev.com/viewtopic.php?p=161734#p161734 a discussion about a website formerly operated by thefox], my understanding is that a GitHub Pages domain is necessarily tied to a GitHub repository, but GitHub does not actively police the contents of GitHub Pages to enforce any restriction to "documentation"; indeed many people use GitHub Pages for blogs related to general computing. --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 00:57, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
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:Can you get it to happen for any pages that aren't user CSS or user JS? If not, it's probably the same problem as [[User talk:Tepples/Archive 7#Extensions causing problems with user script and stylesheet pages?]]. When I get a chance to use the computer on which <code>LocalSettings.php</code> is maintained, I'll try to find time to disable TwitterCards on all diff pages. --[[User:Tepples|Tepples]] ([[User talk:Tepples|talk]]) 18:17, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
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::The answer as of now to the question in your first sentence is no. --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 01:11, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
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::←<!-- outdent -->
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I have just confirmed that this is still an issue. What are your plans as of now? --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 22:32, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
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:I have excluded TwitterCards from pageviews containing a nonempty <code>diff</code> query parameter. But for anything more substantial, I'll first need to dig up which computer has my hosting provider credentials so I can upgrade PHP from 5.6 to 7.x and then upgrade MediaWiki to latest stable. --[[User:Tepples|Tepples]] ([[User talk:Tepples|talk]]) 02:09, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
  
=== FT to Pently ===
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== Archive Team now supports HTTPS ==
In [http://forums.nesdev.com/viewtopic.php?p=161754#p161754 this post], "all drums in Pently" appears to be an incomplete sentence. --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 23:36, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
 
  
== Interwiki: HTTPS for Sonic Retro ==
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For example, <code>https://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Main_Page</code> for [[archiveteam:Main Page]] --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 04:26, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 
 
<code>https://info.sonicretro.org/</code> --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 23:54, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
 
:Ok, perhaps I shouldn't have been so curt; I should have used this as a test case to develop a policy, as I will now explain. ''Don't revert your change'' for now.
 
:By "policy," I mean that I need to write down some ideas on how much mixed content is acceptable, as well as how many of <code>link rel="canonical"</code>, redirection, HSTS, and HTTPS-E rulesets need to be present (none apply to this case as far as I know).
 
:Compromising by using a protocol-relative URL would be pointless in this case, as the site is using a paid CloudFlare service tier that doesn't require SNI.
 
:As far as I know, any broken images you may have seen are a temporary problem that recently also affected segaretro.org, and they have nothing to do with the state of HTTPS support. --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 04:37, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Capitalizing my username ==
 
Regarding [http://forums.nesdev.com/viewtopic.php?p=163132#p163132 this NESdev post] about [[Dot clock rates]]:
 
 
 
MediaWiki limitations notwithstanding, I normally prefer my username to be written in all lowercase. Don't bother editing that post though; I acknowledge that the capitalization was justified by English language rules. --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 21:53, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
 
 
 
== NESdev issues, February 2016 ==
 
 
 
=== 4961S ===
 
In [http://forums.nesdev.com/viewtopic.php?p=163937#p163937 this post], the link target for said TASVideos submission is correct, but the displayed text contains a typo.
 
 
 
Also, to answer the question you literally asked: I don't think so, because the SMW exploit depends on sub-frame input to allow execution out of the controller ports; no emulator supported this prior to the [http://tasvideos.org/Lsnes.html lsnes] fork of bsnes.
 
 
 
P.S. See also [http://tasvideos.org/4204S.html ''Castlevania: Symphony of the Night''], which is more analogous to the ''Pokémon'' exploits than ''Mario'', in that it uses save corruption on an in-game inventory area. However, it's not so relevant to this discussion because no substantial payload has been constructed yet and your focus was clearly on Nintendo consoles. We should not expect to see a payload demonstrated before AGDQ 2018 at the earliest (perhaps "never"), as the focus for [http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17018 AGDQ 2017] is on chaining multiple consoles together. ([http://tasvideos.org/Movies-C3050Y.html Full category of exploits])
 
 
 
P.P.S. Do I understand correctly that you used submission numbers rather than movie numbers due to the distinction between published and rejected submissions paralleling that between accepted and rejected bug reports? --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 02:29, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
 
:Yes, that was my rationale for using S numbers. Thanks for pointing out the typo. --[[User:Tepples|Tepples]] ([[User talk:Tepples|talk]]) 04:34, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
 
::Upon re-reading a bit more, the use of sub-frame input is not quite as essential (due to the WAI instruction) as the use of bits in the controller port that are not mapped to any physical button on the standard controller. Again, ZSNES does not support that. (Even that is not necessary if the only goal is to jump into the ending, but real-time speedrunning deviates significantly from this use case.) --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 06:40, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
 
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There has since been a [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB6eY73sLV0 human demonstration of a nontrivial ''SMW'' payload]. However, what brings me here is another game: It was [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHfw-BEuRO8&t=4438 shown at SGDQ'16] that ''SMB3'' can be exploited within a couple seconds by using rapidly-oscillating input to hang the DMC-tolerant controller routine long enough to force the NMI handler to reenter itself.<!-- TODO: verify my description --> There is no TASVideos submission because no existing NES emulator supports sub-frame input in its movie format. --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 07:50, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
 
 
 
=== I'm giving up ===
 
This is what your current NESdev avatar appears to say. I couldn't find any explanation of it within NESdev or Pin Eight. Is this a temporary issue like your previous "[[User talk:Tepples/Archive 4#Terrible programmer|Publicity Stunt Race FX]]," or is it something more serious (in which case I apologize for any perceived insensitivity and extend my sympathy)? --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 02:39, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
 
:Temporary stunt during [[wikipedia:Lent|Lent]] as I attempt to consolidate certain aspects of my online presence. I guess [http://forums.nesdev.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=13833 Ash Wednesday] wasn't enough of a clue. Watch [https://twitter.com/PinoBatch my microblog] over the next few days to see what all I'm giving up, both on- and offline. --[[User:Tepples|Tepples]] ([[User talk:Tepples|talk]]) 04:52, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
 
::I do read your Twitter account; sorry for not making the connection and instead showing a more general concern for your well-being. This reminds me of something I've been wanting to ask: Why do you often describe Twitter as if the audience would be unfamiliar with it, starting with the word "microblog"? Is it because of some offense Twitter has committed against the principles of free software and/or privacy? --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 05:18, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
 
:::Thanks for the concern. I guess I'll have to start hinting more strongly because [[trope:Viewers Are Geniuses|viewers ''aren't'' geniuses]]. If there's someone who needs help, it's Robert Pelloni.
 
::: As for use of "microblog": I'm trying to emphasize that I see my Tweets as a blog, just shorter, and it'd likely be of a similar nature even if I move it off Twitter to some host running Pump or GNU social. It's the same way that a full-length blog is a blog is a blog, whether it's on LiveJournal, Blogspot, WordPress.com, Tumblr, or your own domain. I'm also trying to use generic terms because I'm aware that trademarks are adjectives and to remind others subtly that other brands are available, as [https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/2uoe78/eli5when_a_brand_gets_named_on_the_bbcwhy_do_they/ another country's public broadcaster often does]. As for the free software advocacy angle, Twitter uses non-free JavaScript, and that's one reason [https://fsf.org/twitter/ the FSF uses tools other than Twitter's web interface for posting], but I'm not quite that fanatical about avoiding non-free JavaScript. Yet. Perhaps I might give up proprietary software for Lent some year, but not this year. --[[User:Tepples|Tepples]] ([[User talk:Tepples|talk]]) 13:50, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
 
::::Yeah, I was aware of the "trademarks are adjectives" angle (i.e. you would still have to say "my Twitter microblog" even if you mentioned Twitter by name), but sloppiness struck again.
 
::::If by Pump(.io) you meant specifically the instance on <code>identi.ca</code>, be aware that their HTTPS support is incomplete: Some(?) user avatars are on the domain <code>avatar3.status.net</code>, which ''used'' to support HTTPS but no longer does. It would probably be better to run said software on your own server if at all. --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 18:03, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
 
  
=== PM? ===
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== NESdev issues, March 2018 ==
I just got an email notification about a private message you allegedly sent me on the NESdev forums. The topic is "Re: Front Far East copier," and the message was addressed to my old username (which looks like my Uncyclopedia username), not my newer username (which looks like the one here).
 
  
As a reminder, I had stupidly registered a new account instead of properly requesting a username change. I no longer remember the password for either account, and I have no intention at present to resume activity. (I gave up editing Uncyclopedia a few years back too, but I digress. For either site, I will not reconsider my activity until HTTPS support is provided.)
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=== RPG assets by Chasersgaming ===
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The link from [https://forums.nesdev.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=17072 this thread] that you posted [[nesdev:Special:Diff/14703|here]] needs to be fixed to point to <code>https://chasersgaming.itch.io/tile-set-pack-7-nes</code> (determined by carefully examining [https://chasersgaming.itch.io/ Chasersgaming's full list of projects] for those that specifically mention NES).
  
I am aware that the NESdev forums have had problems sending email, so I assume this is a delayed notification of something that happened years ago. If it was in fact recent and not a glitch, I would appreciate you conveying the message to me by some other means. --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 19:24, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
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The original link currently returns 404 with what looks like a standard itch.io error page; please let me know if I need to describe the symptom in more detail. --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 05:31, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
:"no intention at present to resume activity" answers my question. --[[User:Tepples|Tepples]] ([[User talk:Tepples|talk]]) 00:32, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
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:Both the old link and the new link work for me at the moment. Thank you for suggesting an addition to [[nesdev:Placeholder graphics]]. --[[User:Tepples|Tepples]] ([[User talk:Tepples|talk]]) 15:06, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
::But what do Front Far East copiers have to do with this? Perhaps [http://forums.nesdev.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=13863 this thread] reminded you of some older post I made about the FFE mappers? Or did you just randomly choose an old PM to which to reply? --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 00:45, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
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::I can confirm that the old link now works for me as well. Sorry to bother you for what could have been a temporary problem. --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 23:02, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
:::I was indeed searching for old posts about FFE mappers to compose a reply to t=13863, and I found your Uncyc username. Anyway, though the forums mail issue has been fixed, wiki mail was broken last time I checked. And now that Let's Encrypt exists, [http://forums.nesdev.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=13868 I've requested HTTPS]. --[[User:Tepples|Tepples]] ([[User talk:Tepples|talk]]) 00:57, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
 
::::I know it's been a bit inconvenient for you to pick through and relay my NES-related comments from here to NESdev. [http://forums.nesdev.com/viewtopic.php?p=14923#p14923 My post] was an attempt to ascertain the meaning of "[[nesdev:Category:Bad iNES Mappers|bad]]" mappers, which I misleadingly worded as a half-serious proposal for emulators to drop FFE support.
 
::::However, I again emphasize the word "(re)consider": Even with HTTPS, I may still not begin contributing immediately, in light of various real-life obligations and a lack of an actual NES development project. Anyway, thanks. --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 03:53, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
 
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As for Uncyclopedia, it now appears to have HTTPS. It doesn't yet ''enforce'' HTTPS on its own, but we haven't required such a standard for the configuration of interwiki links. I'm still a bit busy in my life, so I won't resume participating just yet. --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 06:30, 26 June 2016 (UTC) (+ 07:59, 10 July 2016 (UTC))
 
  
=== Hatris in geod's emulator ===
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== The end of Recent Changes Cleanup ==
"[http://forums.nesdev.com/viewtopic.php?p=164878#p164878 I'm not entirely sure anything will]" appears to be an incomplete sentence. --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 00:42, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
 
  
== NESdev issues, April 2016 ==
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I seek to upgrade to MediaWiki 1.30 until such time as I can switch my hosting to PHP 7. But [[mediawikiwiki:Extension:Recent Changes Cleanup]] states that the extension is no longer maintained, and the archived version states that the extension no longer works with any supported version of MediaWiki. This means RCC will cease to be available on this wiki sometime between now and the end of August. --[[User:Tepples|Tepples]] ([[User talk:Tepples|talk]]) 02:55, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
=== Interwiki configuration on NESdev ===
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:Make that now. Welcome to MediaWiki 1.30. --[[User:Tepples|Tepples]] ([[User talk:Tepples|talk]]) 03:40, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
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::I apologize for the rude edit summaries and for not reading this sooner. I had been away from my computer for a little over a day and only found out the upgrade had been performed for other reasons.
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::How does this affect the project-scope policy concerns that led to the original use of RCC? I guess that edits to user scripts and stylesheets never really needed to be hidden in the first place, but the more pressing concerns are spam, cleanup of spam, and my WMG materials.
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::I was planning to register on All The Tropes in the near future anyway; I am willing to move my WMG content there, but I cannot promise any particular timescale, especially because my activity is likely to be erratic for a month or more due to real life.
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::The quick but heavy-handed fix would be to flag my account as a bot until such time as either I complete any migration of content or we find an alternative MediaWiki extension of similar utility.
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::Alternatives that would avoid hiding any future mainspace edits I make include:
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:#Configure RecentChanges not to show edits to the user namespaces (is this still possible?)
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:#Redefine the guidelines for the minor-edit flag to include everything we were previously RCCing, then configure RecentChanges not to show minor edits by default
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::--[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 06:24, 20 August 2018 (UTC) to 06:48, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
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:::Project scope issues were mostly in play when this wiki was averaging a dozen or more edits a day. Now that it's slowed down a bit, they're not quite so pressing. --[[User:Tepples|Tepples]] ([[User talk:Tepples|talk]]) 13:16, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
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::::I still plan to do my share of #2: Unless I am requesting deletion or other administrator assistance, I will mark all edits to non-preferred userspace topics as minor, whether or not they would be minor under our prevailing guidelines.
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::::I agree that no change to the wiki's ''default'' configuration is needed, however. --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 17:14, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
  
"[http://wiki.nesdev.com/w/index.php?title=Text_compression&diff=12260&oldid=12259 change Wikipedia links to use interwiki syntax]"
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== Reevaluating definition of NES 2.0 mapper plane 2 ==
  
...reveals that the <code>wikipedia</code> interwiki prefix is still configured to be <code>http</code>. Is it practical to change this, given that [[nesdev:Special:Version|NESdev doesn't seem to have]] [[mediawikiwiki:Extension:Interwiki|Extension:Interwiki]]? --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 04:38, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
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Again, sorry for not registering directly on NESdev; I will do that ASAP (read: in a few days) and let you know.
:Through <code>/usr/bin/mysql</code>, I ran this:
 
<pre>
 
update mw1_interwiki
 
set iw_url = concat('https', substring(iw_url from 5))
 
where iw_url like 'http://%wikipedia%'
 
  or iw_url like 'http://%wiktionary%'
 
  or iw_url like 'http://%wikibooks%'
 
  or iw_url like 'http://%wikimedia%';
 
</pre>
 
:Then I edited that page (and [[nesdev:Before the basics|another IW-heavy page]]) to update them to HTTPS. --[[User:Tepples|Tepples]] ([[User talk:Tepples|talk]]) 16:39, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
 
=== Incomplete sentences ===
 
"[http://forums.nesdev.com/viewtopic.php?p=169643#p169643 Did I handle this poorly by not .]" --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 05:55, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
 
  
== Tvhack ==
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It has apparently been decided that the original Unicode-inspired names are so thoroughly unwarranted that they should not be mentioned in [[nesdev:Mapper]] even as hidden anchors.
  
Conventions that I am aware of on other wikis, especially Wikimedia Foundation projects, do not justify assuming so much good faith with what I consider an obvious spammer. I would have simply blanked the user page with an edit summary requesting deletion, but I [[User:Eighty5cacao/sloppy|hadn't gotten around to it]]. Can we agree that the user may be treated as a spammer if we receive no reply within a week from now? --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 18:58, 22 May 2016 (UTC) (+ 00:55, 23 May 2016 (UTC))
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It is not clear to me that the criterion "released only in the East Asian market" is being interpreted literally or researched thoroughly for every game, based on a look through the existing mapper assignments.
:At the time I welcomed the user, I thought it was my only hope to seek quality counterarguments to the disadvantages of [[Netflix]] VOD. But now that I think about it, if the user fails to voice an intent to provide a rebuttal but doesn't otherwise misbehave, "[[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Username policy#Promotional names|promotional username]]" might be the most gentle grounds for a block. --[[User:Tepples|Tepples]] ([[User talk:Tepples|talk]]) 14:44, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
 
  
== NESdev issues, May 2016 ==
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The original motivation for following the Unicode definition was the technical requirements for displaying ideographic characters on the NES (e.g. CHR RAM), but it's not clear that this correlates strongly with hardware usage in existing games.
  
=== ShaneM wonders whether extraterrestrial civilizations exist in the Milky Way ===
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In light of the above, it is possible that the current definition of plane 2 discriminates geographically in a way that provides no benefit, and perhaps we should impose a moratorium on new assignments in plane 2 until plane 1 fills up. Comments?
<!-- I will no longer organize NESdev issues by month unless I actually post multiple issues in the same month -->
 
In [http://forums.nesdev.com/viewtopic.php?p=171619#p171619 this post], the link with said name appears to be a duplicate of the one below it.
 
  
I assume (but haven't verified) that I need to be logged in in order to search, so I haven't attempted to find the fix myself. --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 05:25, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
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Digression: Should mapper 310 be marked as bad until it is reassigned? Should 380 be marked in some way until a public ROM exists? --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 16:51, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
:Fixed. "Open Link in New Private Window" showed that search does not require login, though enumerating users does. --[[User:Tepples|Tepples]] ([[User talk:Tepples|talk]]) 12:29, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
 
  
=== Disagree(?) with "trimming conjecture" ===
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:Mapper 380 is a worthless redirect, and should probably be deleted. If you think it should be marked, make it a "weak reservation": anyone other than zzo38 is discouraged from using that number unless the rest of the plane is full, but it is not mandatory to avoid it (although it may be decided that "weak reservations" are not helpful, in which case just delete it). (Other "weak reserverations" may also be possible.) Mapper 310 looks worthless too (it is also a redirect), and can probably be called a "bad" mapper until it is reassigned. --[[Special:Contributions/24.207.47.161|24.207.47.161]] 05:25, 4 September 2018 (UTC)<!-- Tepples, did you get logged out? -->
Regarding [http://wiki.nesdev.com/w/index.php?title=CPU_unofficial_opcodes&diff=12420&oldid=12419 this edit by Rainwarrior] to [[nesdev:CPU unofficial opcodes|CPU unofficial opcodes]], which rendered the [[#A few NESdev issues|GitHub link fix]] moot, I agree that mentioning the PC Engine port is unnecessary clutter until such time as it is disassembled to determine whether it actually shares code.
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::You may take this to be my deletion request for the "INES Mapper 380" redirect (''not'' 310), but please consider userfying any useful history to Zzo38 if this hasn't already been done.<!-- I am aware of the history of both titles to the extent that neither was *created* as a redirect. I haven't looked through zzo38's userspace though. -->
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::Everything else, I will repost on NESdev myself when I register within a day or so. One more clarification I now see: "interpreted literally or researched thoroughly" is not meant to be a dichotomy; it means "It is not clear...that the criterion...is being interpreted as literally as possible in every case nor that every regional release of every game has been researched thoroughly." --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 21:24, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
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::Given the lack of uptake of SMP/SIP distinction in existing assignments, I've edited it out of the page. As for zzo38's proposals, might something like [[nesdev:File:Mfr icon reserved.png]] be useful for cases like this? <!--24.* wasn't me.-->--[[User:Tepples|Tepples]] ([[User talk:Tepples|talk]]) 22:20, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
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:::No objection. (To clarify further: 310 is "bad" because it was genuinely assigned in error, while 380 is the only candidate for the new "reserved" status) --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 16:35, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
  
I feel that if we mention anything whatsoever about "sharing code," we still need to emphasize that it is unknown what the "65C02 port" is and that the arcade version isn't it. We ''could'' remove the mention from the body text entirely and put it in a footnote instead, perhaps.
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== Wikia's redirection script no longer works ==
  
As for the parts not related to ''Puzznic,'' I disagree mainly with the removal of the sentence containing "as it became clear that the Super NES was not going to be backward compatible..." The rest seems okay though. --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 23:09, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
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I noticed this when I found that an editor on [[nesdev:CPU unofficial opcodes]] attempted to use [[nesdev:Template:Dead link]], which ''does not exist yet''.
:I am aware of the talkpage post from Rainwarrior which suggests at least that a deliberate NOP-patching of the code is more likely than either a corrupt master or a direct port from any other system. Sorry for the bikeshedding. --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 01:36, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 
  
== MediaWiki upgrade ==
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The behavior appears to be that the <code>www.wikia.com/wiki/c:''wikiname'':''pagename''</code> URLs no longer redirect, instead showing what is presumably the same error page the MediaWiki software generates for direct links to any nonexistent page (I stupidly panicked and hit stop before it finished loading).
  
I assume that the MediaWiki upgrade here and on NESdev is on hold due to [http://forums.nesdev.com/viewtopic.php?p=173254#p173254 objections raised on NESdev to the necessity of MobileFrontend] and possibly personal reasons. Anything else that should be clarified? --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 02:31, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
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Assuming this isn't a temporary problem, I see two solution approaches (for both Pin Eight and NESdev):
:Mostly I ended up not getting around to it, with family recreation intervening. I still plan an upgrade sometime soon, MobileFrontend or not, to take advantage of security fixes. --[[User:Tepples|Tepples]] ([[User talk:Tepples|talk]]) 03:39, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 
  
== Since NesCartDB is back ==
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#Remove the <code>wikia:</code> interwiki prefix ''before'' any cleanup effort, so that [[Special:WantedPages]] can be used to find the offending links. This may be undesirable for readers.
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#Create a self-hosted PHP script that performs the desired redirection, similar to <code>trope.php</code> but preferably with no interstitial page. Reconfigure the <code>wikia:</code> prefix to point there.
  
...we should probably revert the interwiki change and instead provide an alternate prefix for the MimeoNES version. Just a friendly reminder --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 07:21, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
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Be aware that Pin Eight's <code>wikia:</code> prefix is configured to include the <code>c:</code>, while NESdev's is not and therefore requires editors to include <code>c:</code> in the link manually.
:Also, HTTPS for the <code>nesdev</code> prefix. --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 01:07, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
 
  
== NESdev issues, Nov. 2016 ==
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In the meantime, I will change any links here on Pin Eight to use external-link format to point directly to the desired target. The specific link on NESdev should probably be changed to point to a category (<code>http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Aladdin_games</code>) rather than a special page. --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 03:07, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
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:To clarify: No, I haven't registered on NESdev (or All The Tropes) yet; I got busy with real life, again. I do acknowledge that I should perhaps have raised this issue on the talk page of the NESdev article. --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 15:26, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
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:Do [[wikia:bootleggames:Category:Aladdin games]] and [[wikia:c:bootleggames:Category:Aladdin games]] go where you expect? (Neither of them has anything to do with a Deck Enhancer though.) --[[User:Tepples|Tepples]] ([[User talk:Tepples|talk]]) 03:17, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
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::They appear to work; it appears that some character encoding is not fully undone (specifically, I get redirected to <code>http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Category%3AAladdin_games</code>), but Wikia's servers/MediaWiki installation accept that to refer to the same page, if it is even technically considered a different URL. --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 05:35, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
  
Why does [[nesdev:Special:AbuseLog]] now apparently require login to view? This wasn't the case as of about 24 hours ago.
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=== fandom.com ===
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The reason for this deprecation was apparently that (ahem) FANDOM <s>powered by Wikia</s><!-- strikethrough is just for sarcasm, not to reflect an actual branding change --> is moving its preferred second-level domain from <code>wikia.com</code> to <code>fandom.com</code>.
  
I understand that this may be intentional due to recent spam attacks, but I don't see any relevant or recent posts in the "nesdevWiki" subforum. It should be clearly documented on-wiki if so. (You don't need to go into detail about the reason; it suffices to make the link text read <samp>Failed changes (login required)</samp>.)
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There is cool-URI redirection in place, and the new domains allow HTTPS without a requirement for login.
  
Or is my IP address blocked or otherwise sanctioned? ([[nesdev:Special:Log|Special:Log]] and [[nesdev:Special:BlockList|Special:BlockList]] seem to suggest not, but [[User:Eighty5cacao/sloppy|I haven't specifically tested this]] by editing a talk page.) --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 06:09, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
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This migration appears to have been completed for at least the few wikis we are linking from here, though the official documentation page at [[wikia:community:Help:Fandom domain migration]] states that it will not be completed until February 4, so I recommend against taking any action on interwiki configuration until then.
:If there was a change to policy, I didn't make this change. Currently [[nesdev:Special:ListGroupRights]] does not reflect any policy change, as "View the abuse log <code>(abusefilter-log)</code>" and "View detailed abuse log entries <code>(abusefilter-log-detail)</code>" still appear to be granted to "(all)". Is this something I'll need to elevate to Memblers, who appears to have made all the recent anti-spam changes? --[[User:Tepples|Tepples]] ([[User talk:Tepples|talk]]) 15:17, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
 
:After further review of the evidence: An IP address on the same /30 as what I get when I <code>nslookup wiki.nesdev.com</code> itself was blocked. This means MediaWiki appears to be seeing a reverse proxy's IP address, not the public IP address of the user who actually made the edit. I have unblocked this IP address and will raise this issue with Memblers once I have a chance to phrase it usefully. --[[User:Tepples|Tepples]] ([[User talk:Tepples|talk]]) 17:18, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
 
::I can no longer reproduce the problem I originally reported. That is, the fix seems to have worked. It explains why I couldn't recognize any of the blocked IPs on a quick glance.
 
::Sorry for not following up sooner. My Internet connection was experiencing temporary slowness at the time of the OP, and I pressed Stop soon after seeing "Permission error" as the page title. Ordinarily I would have made sure to copy the entire error message. --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 04:15, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
 
  
== NESdev issues, Jan. 2017 ==
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As mentioned there, Wikia also owns <code>wikia.org</code> for more educational uses, though no wikis exist under wikia.org yet, and any migration or creation requires review by Wikia staff.
  
=== analytics.example.com? ===
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''P.S.'' No one has yet addressed the original NESdev issue that prompted this discussion. --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 20:36, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
An apparently broken link to a tracking script was revealed by the browser's view-source feature on [[nesdev:CHR ROM vs. CHR RAM]] (but this seems to affect all articles):
 
  
<code><nowiki><script type="text/javascript" src="https://analytics.example.com/tracking.js"></script></nowiki></code>
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To clarify, the main action is not on "interwiki configuration" per se; it should suffice to modify <code>wikia.php</code> to redirect accordingly. It's up to you whether to create <code>fandom:</code> as an alternative alias for wikia.php. --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 02:06, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
  
I assume this was part of some configuration template that we haven't edited adequately, and I assume we intended simply to remove it. --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 22:23, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
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My original investigation was not thorough enough; for example, <code>timemachine.wikia.com</code> has not been migrated, and the warning banner it displays contains the verbiage "Over the next few weeks." --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 03:29, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
:I'm aware of the forum discussion stating that this is from a MediaWiki extension related to Google Analytics, but wiki.nesdev.com already seems to be embedding Google Analytics from its official Google-sanctioned URL, via a Google-official JS snippet. Whether it ''should'' be doing this (as opposed to using a self-hostable analytics script like Piwik, or none at all) is another story. --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 02:09, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
 
  
== NESdev issues, Apr. 2017 ==
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== 10.2.2. ==
  
=== NesCartDB issue ===
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As I foolishly raised in a deep corner of my userspace [[User talk:Eighty5cacao/misc/Mashup ideas for StepMania simfiles#2019 miscellany|here]], what can you publicly disclose about the inspirations for "10.2.2."? Can you at least point me in the direction of the most informative NESdev thread, if it isn't [https://forums.nesdev.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=8774 the one I found]? --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 03:10, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
I can't reproduce [https://forums.nesdev.com/viewtopic.php?p=192389#p192389 this] either.
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:My writing a piece in the "piano ambient" genre was indeed inspired by "5.1.1." from ''IIDX''. Doubling all numbers was because I originally intended it to accompany a StepMania etude simfile that teaches the more varied gallop patterns in dance-double (8 panels). It got put on hold by various things, such as dance pads wearing out and the overall decline of the StepMania community in the late 2000s decade. I'm not sure what role ''Konami v. Roxor'' played in the latter. --[[User:Tepples|Tepples]] ([[User talk:Tepples|talk]]) 13:51, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
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::I was hoping you would name some additional song ''other'' than "5.1.1.," but I'll drop it for now.<!-- None of this was new information to me. Sorry for sounding defensive -->
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::As for the [[User:Eighty5cacao/sloppy|sloppy]], backhanded, belated (!) report of the {{tl|spoiler box}} problem, I apologize for not actually debugging the issue myself; I still make no promises. --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 15:55, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
  
Assuming you are still experiencing a problem and you were not trying to play an April Fool's prank on the NESdev community:
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== Closure of YTMND ==
  
"Access denied" implies either that bootgod has banned your IP or (less likely) that some part of your setup is caching DNS excessively, causing <code>bootgod.dyndns.org</code> to resolve to an unintended server. I've never seen the exact error message, though, so I can't offer more specific guidance. --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 04:03, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
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Do you have any plans to rehost the assets of your YTMND pages within Pin Eight? (If you don't have backups, I'm sorry I can't help you.) --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 01:33, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
:During the brief period that the error was still occurring, it was obviously a [https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.5/en/error-messages-server.html MySQL error message], not an error generated by the NesCartDB application itself. I forget some of the details, but I'm fairly certain that it was <code>SELECT command denied to user '%s'@'localhost' for table '%s'</code>. This doesn't reflect application-level security unless perhaps NesCartDB is implementing bans by mapping particular IP risk profiles to particular MySQL users. And if so, that's something I'd expect to see on ''The Daily WTF''. --[[User:Tepples|Tepples]] ([[User talk:Tepples|talk]]) 18:16, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
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:My YTMND use was three computers ago. I probably have backups on an external USB HDD, though I haven't tested them in years. Archive Team reportedly has backups as well per [[archiveteam:YTMND]]. But YTMND subdomains appear to be back up, such as my "Tetris is ridin' spinnaz" <<nowiki>http://infinitespin.ytmnd.com/</nowiki>>, "PP2P2P2PP2P" <<nowiki>http://p2p.ytmnd.com/</nowiki>>, "YTMND is cheaper" <<nowiki>http://cheap.ytmnd.com/</nowiki>>, and "Lil Movers Fire Truck" <<nowiki>http://lpfireman.ytmnd.com/</nowiki>>, even though search, comments, and detailed sourcing are unavailable. --[[User:Tepples|Tepples]] ([[User talk:Tepples|talk]]) 15:49, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
::As a reminder, I was not seriously suggesting that bootgod would engage in such outrageous coding practices. I was merely ''guessing'' because I had not seen the error message myself.
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::I apologize for the sloppiness yet again. Perhaps I jumped to conclusions because the last time I checked [[archiveteam:YTMND]],<!-- again just now --> it stated that the Archive Team had ''not'' yet (successfully) received the backups.
::(Yes, I saw your post right after you made it. The problem was not with MediaWiki basics but rather that it took me several days to decide whether this clarification was worth making at all.) --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 15:01, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
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::However, I am also concerned about lack of HTTPS support, in particular the fact that YTMND is likely never to support HTTPS in its present state. The best solution to this would probably be for YTMND to start allowing Wayback Machine access. (TODO for me to look up: Did Let's Encrypt ever implement wildcard support? What is their policy on that?) --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 18:51, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
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:::Good news: LE's ACME v2 endpoint has been issuing certificates with wildcard SAN since March 2018 ([https://community.letsencrypt.org/t/acme-v2-and-wildcard-certificate-support-is-live/55579/ source]). --[[User:Tepples|Tepples]] ([[User talk:Tepples|talk]]) 02:08, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
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::::Note to self: Admitting to sloppiness doesn't fully excuse it. (What did you think I meant by "TODO for ''me'' to look up"?) Yes, I knew that Let's Encrypt had been in discussion about wildcards for a while; the question is the detailed policies. Also, even if I had a good way to communicate this to YTMND's administrators, they might be unwilling to act.<!-- just thinking out loud; no reply needed or expected --> --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 04:59, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
  
== encyclopediadramatica.rs ==
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== Harry Potter WMGs on All The Tropes ==
  
...is now the correct domain where Encyclopedia Dramatica can be found. (See [[archiveteam:Encyclopedia Dramatica|Archive Team article]].)
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This is months-old news, but your WMG about the PlayStation Super Disc existing in the ''Harry Potter'' universe seems to have gotten lost in some reorganization of All The Tropes's ''Harry Potter'' WMG subpages. You may wish to ask someone whether it was removed intentionally. (I admit that my investigation was itself months old and based primarily on manual link clicking rather than the search box. Sorry if I missed something.) --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 01:33, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
 
 
However, I am in doubt whether we ''should'' maintain an interwiki prefix at all, given the generally adult nature of the site and the fact that Urban Dictionary and Know Your Meme often suffice to describe Internet-culture topics. --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 19:58, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Fun with acronyms ==
 
ProfessAdeath said of my Twitter and Discord handle: "Perfectly Integrated Navigation Of Brilliant Analytical Thought Creating Heroism" --[[User:Tepples|Tepples]] ([[User talk:Tepples|talk]]) 13:26, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Broken HTTPS on Uncyclopedia ==
 
 
 
It appears that Uncyclopedia's TLS certificate expired sometime between a fortnight and a month ago (excuse the sloppiness; just recalling my memory of previous tests).
 
 
 
If I recall correctly based on previous incidents, they are using Let's Encrypt but have not set up any automation of the relevant scripts.
 
 
 
Since they don't enforce https, the obvious fix from our end is to change the <code>uncyc</code> interwiki prefix back to http. It would be better to treat this as a tech-evangelism issue, but I'm not sure which of several Twitter accounts they consider to be official, and the [https://www.reddit.com/r/Uncyclopedia/ relevant subreddit] has not been actively posted to for about a year. (My general disdain for online social networking should not need reiterating.)
 
 
 
If you want to make any changes to interwiki prefixes, I suggest thinking about [[#encyclopediadramatica.rs|removing <code>dram</code>]] at the same time. --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 23:33, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
 
:The issue appears to be resolved...for now. (Digression: I think [[User talk:185.94.189.142|this]] is just another spambot.) --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 23:59, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Interwiki table maintenance ==
 
 
 
Are you running some kind of script to validate the interwiki configuration? If so, it would be nice to post the code publicly, as long as the license is at least as Free as the rest of the wiki. --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 00:47, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
 
:It's not scripted. I'm just following a random IW link and seeing if it responds. (And now that you're aware of this project, I can [[Special:RecentChangesCleanup|RCC]] what I've done so far.) --[[User:Tepples|Tepples]] ([[User talk:Tepples|talk]]) 00:52, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
 
::It doesn't look like you've RCC'd anything yet. Should I do so myself? I assume that RCC of interwiki maintenance should be subject to the same 24-hour delay as RCC of spam posts; does this make sense? --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 04:03, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
 
:::I did RCC some from about a day before my last reply, those before your "headscratcher hooks" edits. But go ahead and apply the same rule. --[[User:Tepples|Tepples]] ([[User talk:Tepples|talk]]) 19:07, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
 
 
 
== index.php?diff= gives internal error on user scripts and stylesheets ==
 
 
 
For example, [[Special:Diff/15702]] (which redirects to <code>https://pineight.com/mw/index.php?diff=15702</code>, an edit to [[User:Eighty5cacao/common.js]]) and [[Special:Diff/15139]] (which redirects to <code>https://pineight.com/mw/index.php?diff=15139</code>, an edit to [[User:Eighty5cacao/common.css]]) show:
 
<blockquote>MediaWiki internal error.
 
 
 
Exception caught inside exception handler.
 
 
 
Set $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; at the bottom of LocalSettings.php to show detailed debugging information.</blockquote>
 
 
 
The longer URLs for the same edits, <code>https://pineight.com/mw/index.php?title=User:Eighty5cacao/common.js&diff=prev&oldid=15702</code> and <code>https://pineight.com/mw/index.php?title=User:Eighty5cacao/common.css&diff=15139&oldid=15111</code>, work fine.
 
 
 
[[Special:Diff/15754]], an edit to [[App Store Review Guidelines]], works fine. --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 00:52, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Archive Team now supports HTTPS ==
 
 
 
For example, <code>https://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Main_Page</code> for [[archiveteam:Main Page]] --[[User:Eighty5cacao|Eighty5cacao]] ([[User talk:Eighty5cacao|talk]]) 04:26, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 

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Interwiki table maintenance

Are you running some kind of script to validate the interwiki configuration? If so, it would be nice to post the code publicly, as long as the license is at least as Free as the rest of the wiki. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 00:47, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

It's not scripted. I'm just following a random IW link and seeing if it responds. (And now that you're aware of this project, I can RCC what I've done so far.) --Tepples (talk) 00:52, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
It doesn't look like you've RCC'd anything yet. Should I do so myself? I assume that RCC of interwiki maintenance should be subject to the same 24-hour delay as RCC of spam posts; does this make sense? --Eighty5cacao (talk) 04:03, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
I did RCC some from about a day before my last reply, those before your "headscratcher hooks" edits. But go ahead and apply the same rule. --Tepples (talk) 19:07, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

index.php?diff= gives internal error on user scripts and stylesheets

For example, Special:Diff/15702 (which redirects to https://pineight.com/mw/index.php?diff=15702, an edit to User:Eighty5cacao/common.js) and Special:Diff/15139 (which redirects to https://pineight.com/mw/index.php?diff=15139, an edit to User:Eighty5cacao/common.css) show:

MediaWiki internal error.

Exception caught inside exception handler.

Set $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; at the bottom of LocalSettings.php to show detailed debugging information.

The longer URLs for the same edits, https://pineight.com/mw/index.php?title=User:Eighty5cacao/common.js&diff=prev&oldid=15702 and https://pineight.com/mw/index.php?title=User:Eighty5cacao/common.css&diff=15139&oldid=15111, work fine.

Special:Diff/15754, an edit to App Store Review Guidelines, works fine. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 00:52, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Can you get it to happen for any pages that aren't user CSS or user JS? If not, it's probably the same problem as User talk:Tepples/Archive 7#Extensions causing problems with user script and stylesheet pages?. When I get a chance to use the computer on which LocalSettings.php is maintained, I'll try to find time to disable TwitterCards on all diff pages. --Tepples (talk) 18:17, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
The answer as of now to the question in your first sentence is no. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 01:11, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

I have just confirmed that this is still an issue. What are your plans as of now? --Eighty5cacao (talk) 22:32, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

I have excluded TwitterCards from pageviews containing a nonempty diff query parameter. But for anything more substantial, I'll first need to dig up which computer has my hosting provider credentials so I can upgrade PHP from 5.6 to 7.x and then upgrade MediaWiki to latest stable. --Tepples (talk) 02:09, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Archive Team now supports HTTPS

For example, https://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Main_Page for archiveteam:Main Page --Eighty5cacao (talk) 04:26, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

NESdev issues, March 2018

RPG assets by Chasersgaming

The link from this thread that you posted here needs to be fixed to point to https://chasersgaming.itch.io/tile-set-pack-7-nes (determined by carefully examining Chasersgaming's full list of projects for those that specifically mention NES).

The original link currently returns 404 with what looks like a standard itch.io error page; please let me know if I need to describe the symptom in more detail. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 05:31, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Both the old link and the new link work for me at the moment. Thank you for suggesting an addition to nesdev:Placeholder graphics. --Tepples (talk) 15:06, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
I can confirm that the old link now works for me as well. Sorry to bother you for what could have been a temporary problem. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 23:02, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

The end of Recent Changes Cleanup

I seek to upgrade to MediaWiki 1.30 until such time as I can switch my hosting to PHP 7. But mediawikiwiki:Extension:Recent Changes Cleanup states that the extension is no longer maintained, and the archived version states that the extension no longer works with any supported version of MediaWiki. This means RCC will cease to be available on this wiki sometime between now and the end of August. --Tepples (talk) 02:55, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Make that now. Welcome to MediaWiki 1.30. --Tepples (talk) 03:40, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
I apologize for the rude edit summaries and for not reading this sooner. I had been away from my computer for a little over a day and only found out the upgrade had been performed for other reasons.
How does this affect the project-scope policy concerns that led to the original use of RCC? I guess that edits to user scripts and stylesheets never really needed to be hidden in the first place, but the more pressing concerns are spam, cleanup of spam, and my WMG materials.
I was planning to register on All The Tropes in the near future anyway; I am willing to move my WMG content there, but I cannot promise any particular timescale, especially because my activity is likely to be erratic for a month or more due to real life.
The quick but heavy-handed fix would be to flag my account as a bot until such time as either I complete any migration of content or we find an alternative MediaWiki extension of similar utility.
Alternatives that would avoid hiding any future mainspace edits I make include:
  1. Configure RecentChanges not to show edits to the user namespaces (is this still possible?)
  2. Redefine the guidelines for the minor-edit flag to include everything we were previously RCCing, then configure RecentChanges not to show minor edits by default
--Eighty5cacao (talk) 06:24, 20 August 2018 (UTC) to 06:48, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
Project scope issues were mostly in play when this wiki was averaging a dozen or more edits a day. Now that it's slowed down a bit, they're not quite so pressing. --Tepples (talk) 13:16, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
I still plan to do my share of #2: Unless I am requesting deletion or other administrator assistance, I will mark all edits to non-preferred userspace topics as minor, whether or not they would be minor under our prevailing guidelines.
I agree that no change to the wiki's default configuration is needed, however. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 17:14, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Reevaluating definition of NES 2.0 mapper plane 2

Again, sorry for not registering directly on NESdev; I will do that ASAP (read: in a few days) and let you know.

It has apparently been decided that the original Unicode-inspired names are so thoroughly unwarranted that they should not be mentioned in nesdev:Mapper even as hidden anchors.

It is not clear to me that the criterion "released only in the East Asian market" is being interpreted literally or researched thoroughly for every game, based on a look through the existing mapper assignments.

The original motivation for following the Unicode definition was the technical requirements for displaying ideographic characters on the NES (e.g. CHR RAM), but it's not clear that this correlates strongly with hardware usage in existing games.

In light of the above, it is possible that the current definition of plane 2 discriminates geographically in a way that provides no benefit, and perhaps we should impose a moratorium on new assignments in plane 2 until plane 1 fills up. Comments?

Digression: Should mapper 310 be marked as bad until it is reassigned? Should 380 be marked in some way until a public ROM exists? --Eighty5cacao (talk) 16:51, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Mapper 380 is a worthless redirect, and should probably be deleted. If you think it should be marked, make it a "weak reservation": anyone other than zzo38 is discouraged from using that number unless the rest of the plane is full, but it is not mandatory to avoid it (although it may be decided that "weak reservations" are not helpful, in which case just delete it). (Other "weak reserverations" may also be possible.) Mapper 310 looks worthless too (it is also a redirect), and can probably be called a "bad" mapper until it is reassigned. --24.207.47.161 05:25, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
You may take this to be my deletion request for the "INES Mapper 380" redirect (not 310), but please consider userfying any useful history to Zzo38 if this hasn't already been done.
Everything else, I will repost on NESdev myself when I register within a day or so. One more clarification I now see: "interpreted literally or researched thoroughly" is not meant to be a dichotomy; it means "It is not clear...that the criterion...is being interpreted as literally as possible in every case nor that every regional release of every game has been researched thoroughly." --Eighty5cacao (talk) 21:24, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
Given the lack of uptake of SMP/SIP distinction in existing assignments, I've edited it out of the page. As for zzo38's proposals, might something like nesdev:File:Mfr icon reserved.png be useful for cases like this? --Tepples (talk) 22:20, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
No objection. (To clarify further: 310 is "bad" because it was genuinely assigned in error, while 380 is the only candidate for the new "reserved" status) --Eighty5cacao (talk) 16:35, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Wikia's redirection script no longer works

I noticed this when I found that an editor on nesdev:CPU unofficial opcodes attempted to use nesdev:Template:Dead link, which does not exist yet.

The behavior appears to be that the www.wikia.com/wiki/c:wikiname:pagename URLs no longer redirect, instead showing what is presumably the same error page the MediaWiki software generates for direct links to any nonexistent page (I stupidly panicked and hit stop before it finished loading).

Assuming this isn't a temporary problem, I see two solution approaches (for both Pin Eight and NESdev):

  1. Remove the wikia: interwiki prefix before any cleanup effort, so that Special:WantedPages can be used to find the offending links. This may be undesirable for readers.
  2. Create a self-hosted PHP script that performs the desired redirection, similar to trope.php but preferably with no interstitial page. Reconfigure the wikia: prefix to point there.

Be aware that Pin Eight's wikia: prefix is configured to include the c:, while NESdev's is not and therefore requires editors to include c: in the link manually.

In the meantime, I will change any links here on Pin Eight to use external-link format to point directly to the desired target. The specific link on NESdev should probably be changed to point to a category (http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Aladdin_games) rather than a special page. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 03:07, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

To clarify: No, I haven't registered on NESdev (or All The Tropes) yet; I got busy with real life, again. I do acknowledge that I should perhaps have raised this issue on the talk page of the NESdev article. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 15:26, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
Do wikia:bootleggames:Category:Aladdin games and wikia:c:bootleggames:Category:Aladdin games go where you expect? (Neither of them has anything to do with a Deck Enhancer though.) --Tepples (talk) 03:17, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
They appear to work; it appears that some character encoding is not fully undone (specifically, I get redirected to http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Category%3AAladdin_games), but Wikia's servers/MediaWiki installation accept that to refer to the same page, if it is even technically considered a different URL. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 05:35, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

fandom.com

The reason for this deprecation was apparently that (ahem) FANDOM powered by Wikia is moving its preferred second-level domain from wikia.com to fandom.com.

There is cool-URI redirection in place, and the new domains allow HTTPS without a requirement for login.

This migration appears to have been completed for at least the few wikis we are linking from here, though the official documentation page at wikia:community:Help:Fandom domain migration states that it will not be completed until February 4, so I recommend against taking any action on interwiki configuration until then.

As mentioned there, Wikia also owns wikia.org for more educational uses, though no wikis exist under wikia.org yet, and any migration or creation requires review by Wikia staff.

P.S. No one has yet addressed the original NESdev issue that prompted this discussion. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 20:36, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

To clarify, the main action is not on "interwiki configuration" per se; it should suffice to modify wikia.php to redirect accordingly. It's up to you whether to create fandom: as an alternative alias for wikia.php. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 02:06, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

My original investigation was not thorough enough; for example, timemachine.wikia.com has not been migrated, and the warning banner it displays contains the verbiage "Over the next few weeks." --Eighty5cacao (talk) 03:29, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

10.2.2.

As I foolishly raised in a deep corner of my userspace here, what can you publicly disclose about the inspirations for "10.2.2."? Can you at least point me in the direction of the most informative NESdev thread, if it isn't the one I found? --Eighty5cacao (talk) 03:10, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

My writing a piece in the "piano ambient" genre was indeed inspired by "5.1.1." from IIDX. Doubling all numbers was because I originally intended it to accompany a StepMania etude simfile that teaches the more varied gallop patterns in dance-double (8 panels). It got put on hold by various things, such as dance pads wearing out and the overall decline of the StepMania community in the late 2000s decade. I'm not sure what role Konami v. Roxor played in the latter. --Tepples (talk) 13:51, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
I was hoping you would name some additional song other than "5.1.1.," but I'll drop it for now.
As for the sloppy, backhanded, belated (!) report of the {{spoiler box}} problem, I apologize for not actually debugging the issue myself; I still make no promises. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 15:55, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Closure of YTMND

Do you have any plans to rehost the assets of your YTMND pages within Pin Eight? (If you don't have backups, I'm sorry I can't help you.) --Eighty5cacao (talk) 01:33, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

My YTMND use was three computers ago. I probably have backups on an external USB HDD, though I haven't tested them in years. Archive Team reportedly has backups as well per archiveteam:YTMND. But YTMND subdomains appear to be back up, such as my "Tetris is ridin' spinnaz" <http://infinitespin.ytmnd.com/>, "PP2P2P2PP2P" <http://p2p.ytmnd.com/>, "YTMND is cheaper" <http://cheap.ytmnd.com/>, and "Lil Movers Fire Truck" <http://lpfireman.ytmnd.com/>, even though search, comments, and detailed sourcing are unavailable. --Tepples (talk) 15:49, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
I apologize for the sloppiness yet again. Perhaps I jumped to conclusions because the last time I checked archiveteam:YTMND, it stated that the Archive Team had not yet (successfully) received the backups.
However, I am also concerned about lack of HTTPS support, in particular the fact that YTMND is likely never to support HTTPS in its present state. The best solution to this would probably be for YTMND to start allowing Wayback Machine access. (TODO for me to look up: Did Let's Encrypt ever implement wildcard support? What is their policy on that?) --Eighty5cacao (talk) 18:51, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
Good news: LE's ACME v2 endpoint has been issuing certificates with wildcard SAN since March 2018 (source). --Tepples (talk) 02:08, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
Note to self: Admitting to sloppiness doesn't fully excuse it. (What did you think I meant by "TODO for me to look up"?) Yes, I knew that Let's Encrypt had been in discussion about wildcards for a while; the question is the detailed policies. Also, even if I had a good way to communicate this to YTMND's administrators, they might be unwilling to act. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 04:59, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Harry Potter WMGs on All The Tropes

This is months-old news, but your WMG about the PlayStation Super Disc existing in the Harry Potter universe seems to have gotten lost in some reorganization of All The Tropes's Harry Potter WMG subpages. You may wish to ask someone whether it was removed intentionally. (I admit that my investigation was itself months old and based primarily on manual link clicking rather than the search box. Sorry if I missed something.) --Eighty5cacao (talk) 01:33, 3 July 2019 (UTC)