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Revert Encyclopedia Dramatica interwiki change[edit]

ED has moved back to the .se domain.

The .es domain resolves to some server, possibly a redirector, but all I tested is that that server lacks working HTTPS. (.se does have valid HTTPS.) --Eighty5cacao (talk) 19:14, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Comments in my userspace[edit]

This is admittedly another (normally discouraged) knee-jerk WP:OWNership reaction to this.

As far as you should be concerned, there is no such thing as a needy edit by me to my own userspace. In particular, comments are the ultimate expression of sloppiness, but that doesn't mean I make them without consideration; I'm generally aware when I'm being more verbose than possible, and there's usually a reason for it.

I would prefer that you edit my comments only to correct blatant factual errors, in which case you should bring it up on talk as well.

I'm not saying to avoid editing my userspace at all; just try to leave a slightly longer cooling-off period for me to catch my sloppiness, and feel free to tweak anything that isn't commented out.

You succeeded in reminding me that this particular comment was unnecessary to begin with. However, I ended up replacing it with something even more verbose (basically commented-out wikitext); I hope you don't mind. No one's supposed to be scraping the wikitext of that page, as I mentioned in the lede.

At any rate, I'll try to avoid abusing comments for transient communication that would be better served by an edit summary or talk page. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 02:14, 18 November 2014 (UTC)


nesdev:Action 53 manual#Credits: "@PinoBatch on Twitter"

What makes you think that the utility/privacy tradeoff of Twitter is acceptable? (I do agree that it's better than Facebook.)

You previously said about Google+ that Google already had your PII for AdSense, but I don't see how a similar circumstance applies to Twitter.

Is there anything important on that Twitter account that you aren't also posting on the Pin Eight homepage? Or did you protect the account? (I haven't bothered to check. I'm not on Twitter myself, and I would consider joining only if they added a "semi-protection" option that required login to view my tweets but allowed logged-in users to do anything that they could with a public account - never mind that I don't have enough to tweet about in the first place.)

(P.S. Reminder to renew SSL certificate) --Eighty5cacao (talk) 20:47, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

I see Twitter as more of a blogging platform than a social network. It's good enough for FSF (in its case as a mirror of its GNU social feed), unlike the Facebook. Twitter doesn't goad users into giving up an SMS number just to stay logged in, unlike Facebook that eventually puts up a "roadblock" for some accounts. (At least Facebook doesn't put its roadblock on the signup page like Yahoo does.) Also unlike Facebook, Twitter explicitly allows multiple accounts per person with distinct uses. There seem to be fewer switching costs than with Facebook, as I can download a list of all my tweets should I decide to jump ship for Pump or something. Besides, I realized I could no longer get any laughs out of the name coincidence with a known abuser of multiple Slashdot accounts, who didn't get my joke even when he was around. (It was "I'm not twitter; I don't even have an account there." Mostly I use @PinoBatch for posting things too small for a full-size blog post, and for things not quite as closely related to my software projects or philosophical essays. And I don't see any point for making tweets "free reg. req." the way used to be before it adopted its current soft paywall; all that does is spawn Bugmenot-style workarounds. --Tepples (talk) 01:50, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
And it's good enough for EFF too... But on the point of "semi-protection," I admit my logic was a bit off. I was just trying to convey my awareness of basic privacy hygiene, but the unqualified word "only" was a bit too strong. I'm aware that an existing form of "semi-protection" is the option to flag media as sensitive by default, but I found that unsatisfying because even if I could produce enough text to make Twitter worth using, I might not share enough pictures for that option to have a meaningful impact.
I'm sure Twitter has been smart enough to block most Bugmenot-type services, but as with so many other things, I haven't personally verified that. I did not mean for Twitter to consider search-engine bots as logged-in users. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 06:56, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Digression: Cert renewal process[edit]

Does StartCom send reminder emails about impending expiration, or is that feature not for free accounts?

Do I need to bother posting a reminder a year from now, or for future years in general? --Eighty5cacao (talk) 01:12, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure. Anyway, the CSR is (re-)submitted to StartSSL. It may take a few hours minutes for it to be issued, and then I'll need to send the certificate to WebFaction. And now I've submitted the new cert. --Tepples (talk) 02:06, 5 December 2014 (UTC) (update 03:18, 5 December 2014 (UTC))
I can confirm that the new cert is in place. Again, sorry for any annoyance caused. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 19:40, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
To which of my two questions was "I'm not sure" a response? --Eighty5cacao (talk) 05:20, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Both. I haven't thought too much about the processes regarding keeping the hosting going. Just be glad I don't have to manage something as big as Orain ;-) --Tepples (talk) 19:53, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

BootlegGames Wiki inclusion criteria[edit]

My understanding (as a non-member) is that the prohibition on creating new articles about "fan work" could be construed to exclude articles about recent commercial homebrew releases, though it may have been originally intended to exclude articles on PC fangames and non-commercial ROM hacks.

To the extent that recent commercial homebrew would be expected to meet stronger (that is, Wikipedia-like) notability criteria than other types of releases, your question about print run size is relevant. However, the fact remains that Sunday Funday is a reprint of an older unlicensed game. Anything I am misunderstanding here? --Eighty5cacao (talk) 02:58, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

About "older" and "recent": If they want to make it about date of first publication, then let them say so. But there are a lot of post-1996 productions on that site too because, as I understand it, famiclones stayed popular in BRIC-tier economies even into the N64 era. And if they're going for Wikipedia-like notability, you're not going to find a lot of stories in the anglophone MSM about Russian- and Chinese-langauge bootleg games either. --Tepples (talk) 16:24, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
I'm aware of the reply by KingPepe2010 at Help talk:Contents/Articles, which appears to hint at WP:CORP and/or Nintendo's hiring policies. However, upon rereading WP:CORP, I find that it would have the same problem as the general notability guideline when applied to pirate game companies. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 06:51, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
It appears that KingPepe2010 is currently uninterested in continuing the discussion. I'm guessing xe may be applying a couple criteria that I previously thought were too obvious to mention:
  1. A person or organization whose main public presence is on one or more non-notable websites (such as BootlegGames Wiki and Pin Eight themselves) is presumed to be a "fan"/"hobbyist" and therefore unsuitable for inclusion. (The idea is to avoid conflicts of interest by hobbyists who could document their own releases on their own website. For comparison, most well-known pirate companies have no active website nor any other public presence.)
  2. If the development process of a commercial release involves public non-commercial prototype builds, that may also weigh against inclusion. (This is the case for Action 53, which IIRC hasn't even been completed under that exact name.)
Comments/questions? --Eighty5cacao (talk) 22:26, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
Does Waixing really not have a website? See wikia:bootleggames:Fuzhou Waixing Computer Science & Technology Co.,LTD#External links. If COI is the real issue, I'd appreciate if they put in place something analogous to Wikipedia's COI processes, including explicitly defining COI and instituting a "Requested articles" process. I might try back after several more weeks of silence. --Tepples (talk) 16:44, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
In all fairness, I did say "most." (As usual, I haven't bothered to verify the liveness of any links.) Also, if I had realized from the beginning that COI was the most relevant/analogous policy, I could have kept this section a lot briefer. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 17:54, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Full-time is the deciding factor now. --Tepples (talk) 23:58, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Discontinuing rulewip[edit]

I just want to make sure you are aware of User talk:Eighty5cacao/misc/HTTPS Everywhere/rulewip#Discontinuing this project (as I will be performing the aforementioned "delayed RCC" of that page shortly).

I believe I am currently ready to proceed with deletion. Any decision on MW extensions and/or bot accounts? --Eighty5cacao (talk) 02:53, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

After seeing the edit summaries for the deletions performed so far, I feel that "Project may move to GitHub" needs clarification. If you meant my project, that wording is a bit misleading, as I have not yet registered on GitHub (theoretically Gitorious, BitBucket, or any sufficiently-public Git host could work); also, I am still somewhat too busy with education & personal life to give a timetable for such work. If you meant HTTPS Everywhere as a whole, its official presence on git(web) and isn't going anywhere; the GitHub copy is provided merely for convenience. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 06:37, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
No objection to the current edit summaries. (What I meant above was that the wording in question should simply be removed, but it looks like you figured that out already.) --Eighty5cacao (talk) 02:43, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
While changing Talk:Eloi language to link to a free trope wiki, I discovered an alternative to RCC on its equivalent of Signpost. I might consider adding it come next time I upgrade MediaWiki, and no, I don't know exactly when that will be. --Tepples (talk) 20:18, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
That sounds useful for mass deletions like this one, but RCC would still be needed for project-scope issues with edits to existing pages, if I understand correctly. I know you have no intention to remove RCC; let's just hope there are no compatibility issues. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 21:53, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
To change the topic slightly, why did you undo (that is, re-show) my RCC of the deletion of the BuzzFeed subpage? Was this another mis-click? Do you legitimately need that action as a test case for RCLF or some other reason? Is it okay for me to RCC any other deletions in the meantime? --Eighty5cacao (talk) 22:09, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
I reshowed it because of the punny edit summary. Go ahead and RCC anything that uses a boilerplate summary if you have the time. And yes, RCC is staying. --Tepples (talk) 22:24, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Well That About Wraps It Up for Bag[edit]

Is bag+SRS sustainable? Playing Forever V3.1 (5-bag loop) --Sisu (talk) 02:47, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. That'll give me something to think about should Mr. Pajitnov stop hating free software. Should "The legend of BAG" by SuperRetardo9 be the new Tetris theme? --Tepples (talk) 19:29, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

TCRF HTTPS support[edit]

Announced on Twitter; my tests show enforcement via redirection and HSTS; just trivially change the scheme to https

(If I should post interwiki maintenance requests elsewhere in the future, please explain.) --Eighty5cacao (talk) 04:43, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

TVT vs. AtT category implementation[edit]

Regarding allthetropes:Thread:Talk:Enforced_Method_Acting/Long_term:

Since "category" is a "page type" on TV Tropes but a namespace in the MediaWiki software, AtT apparently chose to require the use of the Category namespace for all pages that were tagged as categories on TV Tropes, with the corresponding mainspace title as a redirect. (Were I starting AtT from scratch, I would have done this differently, having the trope description in mainspace and a separate category page containing only {{main}} in its lede.) Whether an AtT page is in the category or main namespace does not necessarily mean anything as to whether it is a valid trope.

Am I understanding correctly? --Eighty5cacao (talk) 02:09, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

TV Tropes drew a distinction between supertropes, which contained examples that didn't fit into any subtropes, and indexes, which contained no direct examples. If it changed the terminology in the past year, I wasn't aware. The "index" page type also triggered special behavior similar to that of MediaWiki categories, putting the index title at the bottom of all pages in the index. I think that's why All The Tropes used Category: to reflect indexes. Technically it's the inverse, as TV Tropes indexes specify category members on the index page, while MediaWiki categories are specified on each category member's page, but they appear the same to readers. --Tepples (talk) 03:07, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
Whoops. When I said "category" in my OP in reference to TVT, I obviously meant "index" - I had avoided visiting TVT for so long that I had forgotten the proper terminology, which is also why I forgot about supertropes. I know what a TVT index looks like; it's just the term that I had forgotten. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 18:04, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

A couple NESdev issues[edit]

While looking at this, I noticed that the link to the Taito L System driver should be changed to use GitHub.

Also, it seems some users are objecting to the Unicode-inspired naming of the NES 2.0 planes. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 20:55, 18 April 2015 (UTC)


I believe that this user may not be a native English speaker and that some other users may be confusing that with a different type of competence issue. It's probably best to start by giving him/her a proper welcome on the user talk page.

This person's native language may be Japanese, but I have no proof; although the same username is in use on YouTube and has some Japanese text in its avatar, there is no substantial Japanese text in the video titles or descriptions, and the user has not posted in the Japanese section of the NESdev forum.

(Not posting this directly on NESdev for various information-security reasons which I've mentioned before) --Eighty5cacao (talk) 23:05, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Extensions causing problems with user script and stylesheet pages?[edit]

When I try to view any of my user scripts or stylesheets, I get:

MediaWiki internal error.

Exception caught inside exception handler.

Set $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; at the bottom of LocalSettings.php to show detailed debugging information.

That is the entirety of the displayed text, and it is displayed in the generic serif font that the browser normally uses for HTML documents without stylesheets. Attempting to add &action=edit manually to the end of the URL does not change the message. &action=history and diffs are similarly broken for such pages.

My user scripts and stylesheets still exist and work correctly in the sense that they are loaded successfully on other pages. Could this be related to one of the Open Graph-related extensions you just installed?

(P.S. If you're wondering about this edit summary, I had misunderstood OG as something like "Original Google" because I hadn't read the site news yet.) --Eighty5cacao (talk) 01:23, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

I have configured LocalSettings.php not to load TwitterCards on pages whose title begins with User: and ends with .css or .js. Thank you for reporting this issue. --Tepples (talk) 03:00, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
I can confirm that the problem is fixed now. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 04:56, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

"Corrected the link to All The Tropes wiki"[edit]

Apparently Zzo38 was unfamiliar with protocol-relative links and/or the existence of HTTPS support on Orain.

(What sort of guidelines should be established about this?) --Eighty5cacao (talk) 18:39, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Done. --Tepples (talk) 20:52, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
Protocol-relative extlinks make more sense on Pin Eight itself, where HTTPS is optional, than on a site like NESdev where only one protocol is provided. In the latter case, I would prefer just to hardcode https as long as there are no major problems. (This is just a note for future reference; I am not expecting any prompt action or reply.) --Eighty5cacao (talk) 04:05, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

The link in nesdev:User:Tepples that we were discussing here appears to need updating for the move to Miraheze. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 15:02, 30 September 2015 (UTC)[edit]

"Is still running?" No. still seems to work, but that isn't relevant to the question. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 01:11, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

The forum is back up as of this edit. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 06:52, 27 October 2015 (UTC)


On another forum, Drakon has made some claims of having reformed his ways, but there is still much controversy. nesdev:User:Tepples/Drakon Shut Up and Glue was mentioned there.

This is not a request to modify or discontinue the project; I am neutral. Just letting you know. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 01:34, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Status of AtT[edit]

Apparently there was some hacking involved in Orain's current downtime, and All The Tropes has decided to move to a new host. See this forum thread (found via Twitter and Reddit).

The allthetropes: interwiki prefix eventually needs to be updated to$1; I'd be fine with it being pointed to Wikia in the meantime. (Pages on currently return 404; this is intentional, as the site has been closed to the public until the admins are done importing the backed-up data.) --Eighty5cacao (talk) 23:53, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

From the SiteNotice on "The text import of All The Tropes wiki is done. The import itself is not done yet (e.g. images and some extensions need still need my attention). The wiki won't be deleted again now, so you are free to read and edit pages. Sorry for any inconvenience, and thank you for your patience. -- Southparkfan, Miraheze system administrator" A quick look reveals that at least the extension responsible for <choose> and <option> is still broken.
Miraheze appears to use HSTS, and it does not appear to use any CDN that would require SNI, so the interwiki prefix should probably be hardcoded to https.
As a reminder, no account information was transferred from Orain, so you will need to re-register manually. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 04:42, 25 September 2015 (UTC)


I'm aware of what's going on with WikiWikiWeb and the AHBL shutdown affecting it. Yes, if it is no longer open to editing, then it has ceased to be a "wiki" in the strict sense of the word. However, describing it as "dead" or "[no longer] in operation" implies to the average reader that it is closed to reading as well. Would you wish to consider a more descriptive wording?

Has Cunningham & Cunningham publicly stated a plan to shut down the server? Or are the pages already not loading for you? (I cannot reproduce any such problem.) --Eighty5cacao (talk) 20:41, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

The article on ATT is about markup, and markup of a UGC site is irrelevant to a site that has ceased to accept UGC. I wonder what wording would be better. --Tepples (talk) 14:42, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
I was aware of the context but didn't think it would overcome my fundamental objection. I regret that I don't have a specific suggestion. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 14:53, 30 September 2015 (UTC)